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Racial weapons
« on: July 13, 2008, 05:02:10 am »
Hello,
I think each race should have thier own set of weapons,
All cultures have unique design in all of thier things,eg. Ylian Short Sword
Weapons should be no exception,
These weapons are be build specifically for the race's body shape, strength, agility, and so on.
And even though the races have been living together in Yliakum for centuries, some of these weapons would remain.
This idea could also be implemented in things like armour and shields.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 05:48:29 am »
Great wish and I don't know that it is actually posted anywhere but these do exist I have guild mates that have received swords that only kyros can use and that have specific attributes that others don't. I also believe that there will be more in the future.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 03:11:07 pm »
I haven't heard much about these, but if it doesn't exist, I would think it would be implemented via a bonus to players of that race that use it. I would be able to use a weapon designed for, say, a Klyros, but I wouldn't get as much as an advantage from it as a klyros due to factors such as hand shape, my lack of scales, etc.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 04:50:54 pm »
Great wish and I don't know that it is actually posted anywhere but these do exist I have guild mates that have received swords that only kyros can use and that have specific attributes that others don't. I also believe that there will be more in the future.

as far as i know at this stage of development there are no weapons and no code to support weapons to be used by only one race. there are special weapons that via their description can be used in places only certain races can go though.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 12:45:42 am »
How about a Sword of Enkidukai Slaying?  That'll solve a lot of problems in this game.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 10:21:39 am »
How about a Sword of Enkidukai Slaying?  That'll solve a lot of problems in this game.

Why? Do you think there too many of us?

But back to topic. As everyone has probably noticed all races have two "hands" to hold weapons. I don't see any reason (other than weight perhaps) why a race could not wield a weapon from another race. The only exception would be weapons designed for other body parts, e.g. tail or wings.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 12:26:07 pm »
I would guess it comes up mostly in the case of weapons designed for mid-air use (for the Klyros) and underwater use (for the Klyros and Nolthrir).  Other races would be able to pick them up, of course, and maybe use them in limited circumstances, but there would be a natural bias towards the races that are at home in these environments. 

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 04:47:00 pm »
Or weapons that give a penalty without scales, such as wweapons that would normally abrade the user's hands. I don't know what these would be, maybe some kind of weapon involving a chain, but I'm hardly an expert.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2008, 06:27:41 pm »
Kran could potentially emit poisonous gas...who knows what kind of chemical processes are involved in their digestion. What would be the effect of snacking on some sulfur laden coal? Chowing down on some sperrylite -- PtAs2 platinum arsenide, the most common real life ore of platinum?

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2008, 11:11:31 pm »

As everyone has probably noticed all races have two "hands" to hold weapons. I don't see any reason (other than weight perhaps) why a race could not wield a weapon from another race. The only exception would be weapons designed for other body parts, e.g. tail or wings.


i don't think it was intended that other races wouldn't be able to wield them, just that say a nolthrir may be more familiar with a weapon designed for underwater use, and while a menki could use it also, most nolthrir would have a much easier time, and perhaps have an agility bonus from the weapon
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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 10:57:05 am »

As everyone has probably noticed all races have two "hands" to hold weapons. I don't see any reason (other than weight perhaps) why a race could not wield a weapon from another race. The only exception would be weapons designed for other body parts, e.g. tail or wings.


i don't think it was intended that other races wouldn't be able to wield them, just that say a nolthrir may be more familiar with a weapon designed for underwater use, and while a menki could use it also, most nolthrir would have a much easier time, and perhaps have an agility bonus from the weapon

I think familiarity with a weapon is "measured" in skill points with this weapon. If all members of a race are familiar with a certain typ of weapon this race should get skill points with this weapon at character creation. Fighting under water is a totally different thing but since we don't have it now and probably will not have it in the (near) future it is futile to discuss this now. At the moment all fighting is done on land and all weapon characteristics should be discussed under in this light.
Please don't get me wrong, I think there should be racial weapons but it is a matter of roleplaying and not a technical issue. Enkidukai may as hunters prefer a spear over a mace or hammer for example, as it is more suited for hunting and is easier to construct. A dwarf on the other hand may prefer a hammer as it is more akin to the tools he uses every day.
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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 04:56:00 pm »
Racial weapons sound nice, however, I think the idea wouldn't fit the game right now, there're already several kinds of weapons. If we take an Enki sword as a example, only Enkidukais can make it? If that weapon is better than others, wouldn't be unfair for the rest of races? I'd first raise the popularity of non-crafted weapons, and then we would be able to do something about those.
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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 10:15:31 pm »
There is a lot of talk about "fair". I don't care about fair as much as I care about balance. It makes not difference to me if a Enki is a better swordsman and has better weapons. In order to offset this though each race would need a defining feature. For RP, you could go with it, or you could rebel against it. I like this idea, I just don't see it being a priority for a while.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2008, 04:41:02 pm »
The idea maybe about saying you were born to wield this type of weapon. Maybe each race can have its own "special" racial weapon to achieve balance. The "special" weapon could give "special" attributes to wielders of that race alone..maybe even strike like a crafted weapon when someone from that race uses it.

Merchants would forsee a lot of trading with such mechanics and its great way to 'bartering'.

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Re: Racial weapons
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2008, 04:55:41 pm »
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[..]each race can have its own "special" racial weapon to achieve balance. The "special" weapon could give "special" attributes to wielders of that race[..]
I like this approach! Currently (almost) every char of whatever race is played the same, regardless to what features or weak points the corresponding race would give (like initial stats may show). Thats quite boring and buggers me for long already.
But to have weapon classes granting boni or mali to each race could give that a change. Smaller and weaker creatures like Dermorians or Diaboli could have a malus on heavy and large weapons, like claymores or warhammers, but a bonus on small ones that require dexterity and agility, like daggers. With cross-/bows, staffs, flails, morningstars, halberds and whatnot, much could be adjusted, but already currently implemented weapons could support featuring race abilities a lot.
(Now combine that with individual limits on each stat for each race, and there you go with races indeed being any different to each other)