Uneventable Me (I, Roleplayer)

[Zan]

I, Roleplayer like to play devils advocate on the forums.


I, Roleplayer cannot stand learning mistakes ... if nobody points them out, who is learning from mistakes?

I, Roleplayer have a unique character who "wouldn't do that", "wouldn't join that", "wouldn't care about that" ... if it suits me to sit something out, why does it bother you?

I, Roleplayer had a great group of friends once but since they left, I have not seen anyone else I would be interested in roleplaying with. ... because it's not so easy to find those that don't drown out my little flickering candle with their portable spotlights.

I, Roleplayer am misunderstood, my wishes ignored, and my initiatives shut down by the PS staff and the Powerlevelers. ... I am an individual and thus a minority.

I, Roleplayer have a keen eye for inconsistencies and I shall not be part of anything flawed. ... those inconsistencies come at the cost of my immersion, which is why I need settings.
 

Just felt like putting some personal explanations behind Dajoji's statements.Yes, I am a Roleplayer ... be it one who knows not everyone has to be like him.

[Dajoji]

I, Roleplayer cannot stand learning mistakes ... if nobody points them out, who is learning from mistakes?

You can point them out of course. But "I, Roleplayer" chooses to do so through public channels when they could be more tactful about it and use /tell or offer to group. That often leads to OOC arguments in main and names added to ignore lists.

I, Roleplayer have a unique character who "wouldn't do that", "wouldn't join that", "wouldn't care about that" ... if it suits me to sit something out, why does it bother you?

Does not bother me at all. If it's what your character does, knock yourself out. But people might take things too far sometimes so asking yourself if you do is not a bad idea. That is a personal thing and I do not intend to enforce my point of view. I'm just asking to keep an open mind and question ourselves every now and then.

I, Roleplayer had a great group of friends once but since they left, I have not seen anyone else I would be interested in roleplaying with. ... because it's not so easy to find those that don't drown out my little flickering candle with their portable spotlights.

True. It's not easy to make new friends. All I ask is that you keep trying through your roleplay.

I, Roleplayer am misunderstood, my wishes ignored, and my initiatives shut down by the PS staff and the Powerlevelers. ... I am an individual and thus a minority.

That's a little paranoid, don't you think? It kinda reminds me of some former member of the community who thought everyone was out there to get them... In any case, being an individual does not make you a minority by default. The notion of minority has to do with how an individual relates to others. Minorities are defined in social context, not in the individual sphere since there is no majority or dominant element to oppose to. Link.
 

I, Roleplayer have a keen eye for inconsistencies and I shall not be part of anything flawed. ... those inconsistencies come at the cost of my immersion, which is why I need settings.

And you are free to walk away from them in order to protect your immersion. The "I, Roleplayer" attitude makes the player expect their immersion to be disturbed and preempt such disruption, being ready to [object] in main chat, therefore breaking their own roleplay to point out the flaws in others when they could still IC step away and continue with their roleplay somewhere else or simply ingoring that which they find flawed. Again, you are free to point out your objections but don't do so at the expense of your own RP. Use OOC private channels or off-game ones like these forums.

Just felt like putting some personal explanations behind Dajoji's statements.Yes, I am a Roleplayer ... be it one who knows not everyone has to be like him.

Being a roleplayer does not mean being an "I, roleplayer" at all and I don't think people should be labeled as I, Roleplayers either. "I, Roleplayer" is an attitude one falls into when they see themselves as the roleplayer with the right to judge all others. It is defined by one's sense of self-importance and as such it can be easily avoided. It is a matter of personal choice.

I have sometimes had I, Roleplayer attitudes and realized they were not constructive. It is based on that experience that I felt it was important to talk about it, not to point a finger and say "you, scum!", but to ask the community to reflect a bit about their own attitudes. At the end of the day, we all live with our choices whether they make us happy or not.

[Arerano]

All hail the Wise Dajoji!

Very well worded and you obviously put a lot of effort and thoughts into it.
But althought many parts may fit to the one or the other, it very much puts Roleplayers into a "the (bad bad) roleplayers" box.
Got to be time that someone points out that We, Roleplayers have to stick together.. 

Now that the Roleplayers got enlightened, someone ought to make a "I, Powerleveler" thread..
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I, Powerleveler need to train my skills.
today I did some thousand kills.
I have no time for chat to lose,
for your Roleplayer's amuse.
Give me rewards and I will join your plot,
even thought, your story I esteem not.
Why dequip my swords, I'll use them soon again.
Soon I'll have another rank and loot to sell...
...Amen.
 

[Zan]

Well it's your definition so I won't argue about the I, Roleplayer of this topic but I still have my doubts about how many of these extreme cases we actually have among the player base. A handful maybe ... but the thing is, these few are the only ones standing out. A roleplayer that uses tells to advice people or just walks away when they don't like a certain situation won't be spotted by anyone. They don't get noticed but they definitely outnumber the I, Roleplayers in my experience. That actually was my, a bit too, concealed point of my previous post.

Of course it's never bad to make people think a bit. Better safe than sorry eh

[Dajoji]

Like I said: "I, Roleplayer" is not the same as "Roleplayer", the "I," part is the thing that we should try to drop. And it's true, there are probably not many people like that out there but the attitudes can be more common independently than you know. The good thing is that if we are aware of their consequences, we can avoid them.

Got to be time that someone points out that We, Roleplayers have to stick together.. 

I like that: We, Roleplayers. It's a different concept from "I, Roleplayer" though, not the sum of many. I'd even say it opposes it. I guess that's why I like it.

[Mythryndel]

Zan... You are correct that the tactful "Roleplayer" is not nearly as visible in-game or on the forums as the "I, Roleplayer". The problem I see, is that the "I, Roleplayer" mentality is VERY vocal on the forums. I personally have not encountered it in-game.

[Zan]

Well the forums are a bit of a different topic ... on here you have to be loud if you want to have any hope of getting your point across. Since we both don't see them in-game  ... that must mean we're all great roleplayers here. We leave our real attitudes of the forums behind in-game to play our characters.

[Sangwa]

Zan... You are correct that the tactful "Roleplayer" is not nearly as visible in-game or on the forums as the "I, Roleplayer". The problem I see, is that the "I, Roleplayer" mentality is VERY vocal on the forums. I personally have not encountered it in-game.

Fortunately In-Game players are balanced and don't waste time sighing.

[Illysia]

Fortunately In-Game players are balanced and don't waste time sighing.

Not true, they just complain to their friends in /tells. 

[Mythryndel]

I can't say I haven't had friends complain about things in tells or guild chat... I've done the same... however, the point of the original post is that we shouldn't disrupt things in main for complaints or OOC chat. Nobody anywhere has said you can't be upset or annoyed... just that there are better ways of dealing with it than OOC chat in main or being disruptive to those around you in-game.

I like a suggestion I read about acting confused or obtuse when confronted with things that are too far removed from settings or that wouldn't make sense to your character. It takes a bit more creativity, but making the target think before reacting... and possibly going "huh?" is often worth the effort. It is also usually better received than outright criticism.

[Rayken]

That can be disruptive, or rude though, and can also spiral into things that make even less sense.  Better just to walk away.

[Hrothbert]

The problem I see, is that the "I, Roleplayer" mentality is VERY vocal on the forums. I personally have not encountered it in-game.

Agreed Mythryndel. I have encountered it most in the forums and those I seem to not ever see those very 'I, Roleplayer' types in-game. Because of this I take most responses to my posts here that are along RP lines with a grain of salt; All responses will give some wisdom, sometimes what to do and sometimes what not to do, But learn from everyone.

[Under the moon]

I, UtM, have learned from mistakes ... both my own and those of others. I have taught those who wished to learn, left those alone who have not. New and old players are equal in my eyes, and all make mistakes.

I, UtM have many unique characters who "wouldn't do that", "wouldn't join that", "wouldn't care about that" ... and have never felt left out. The very fact that they "wouldn't do that", "wouldn't join that", or "wouldn't care about that" means that they are already a part of what is happening by acknowledging it exists, but choosing to step aside. You do not have to be in the parade to enjoy it happening. You do not have to be at or even like parades to know that others are there and enjoying them, and find enjoyment in that, knowing they are making your community better for the things you do like.

I, UtM had a great group of friends once but since they left, I have found roleplaying every single time I have gone ingame looking for it ... and even a few times I have not. All characters, new and old, are given an equal light by me. I have no 'clique'. I do not search out only those players I know because I 'think' they will be the best to RP with. I do not have to worry about the dreaded RED Buddy List, as I never use the lists. Roleplay is where you find it.

I, UtM am misunderstood, my wishes were sometimes ignored, and my initiatives were never shut down by the PS staff and the Powerlevelers. ...  I pushed the boundaries constantly, and still do, but never stepped out.

I, UtM have a keen eye for inconsistencies and feel the need to correct anything flawed. ... and now I write for PlaneShift.

I, UtM, rock.

[Kaerli]

Hint: Red buddy list = training time!   

[Sangwa]

Right.