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cmhitman

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Pepsi ludacris petition
« on: April 14, 2003, 08:22:49 pm »
I would like to take the time to post a link to a site that is doing something good on the free speech/social equality frontier.


please read and sign this petition to support the idea that bigots can\'t just destroy a persons \"hustle\" because they have the false assumption that rap and hip-hop music is \"Evil\".
It is far too easy for some jackass on television to attack a rap artist because they feel he is \"disgraceful\".
Anyone who has an adequate understanding of what hip-hop is knows that artists build up from there surroundings and its just so happens that most African americans live in the worst parts of what some call the land of the free. this is caused by certain prejudices that the majority hold, that still ring through today.
Hip-hop is an abstract representation of life and love. And just because an artist says something that turns switchs doesn\'t make it immoral. What is immoral is how pepsi gave ludacris the boot said that he was \"Controversial\". then going off and hiring a just as controversial artist (ozzy). but thats all ok cause he\'s white and does rock. This doesn\'t evem bother me. What sickens me is that this moron doesn\'t realize that hip-hop is poetry and to understand poerty you have to first understand the artist and not just take what you hear at face value and then label it :\"Devils music\".

Anyone, with a semi adequat I.Q. whos purchased an
eminem Cd. Realizes that his music isn\'t what the media  makes it out to be. Its gritty-grimy and  hard cutting and this may drive some away, thats ok and understandable But dont let yourself be lent to narrow-mindedness or cause you to lie and defame an artists work simple because you dont like what he says.
It sounds grim; duh, these artists come from grim places. but listen carefully and you\'ll realize that these artists music is really a triumphant blow of the human spirit. Not only do they allow you to feel all the bad, but the good aswell.

Please go to:
http://www.petitiononline.com/ludakris/petition.html

and support free speech and morality
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2003, 09:09:13 pm »
post if you do sign the petition
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2003, 10:58:16 pm »
While I understand your plight, I really think you are misguided in your view of the situation.
You are involved in an online petition (subject to falsehoods already subject in normal petitions) for a successful recording artist who lost some money because Pepsi canceled his commercials.
Why did a publicly traded corporation cancel these adds, because they came under attack from other media professionals and Pepsi did not feel it was worth defending their decision.
To say that Pepsi singed on Ozzy as a replacement, is not really the case either, they signed Ozzy because he has popular recognition with a certain demographic.

Freedom of speech is a very different issue then what this petition is complaining about, and the petitions claims are false, Bill O\'Rilley and other simmilar figures in the media have lambasted video games and movies not to mention Britney Spears.    

Please remember what you are petitioning about here, that a corporation decided to pull an advertisement after it resulted in unwanted results.

Freedom of speech is about a government or other entity with the ability to imprison you, forbids your ability to express your views, thoughts, or ideas. Very similar to how Germany does not permit the swastika symbol to be displayed. A company forbidding you do call co-workers degrading names is not infringement on freedom of speech, arguably it could also be said that it is not an infringement on your right to free speech when you express thoughts and ideas and are fired for those thoughts and ideas.

The petition should be more about the lack of testicular fortitude on Pepsi?s behalf, they want to be considered cool and hip, but they are not willing to deal with controversy to be cool.

My suggestion, find a better cause to champion. Anti Syrian War might be better.            
-Paxx

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2003, 11:58:59 pm »
hmm....
your kinda right

but it does play into freedom of speech to an extent.
When people hold you accountable for what you say is one thing, but to persecute you on what they assume your saying is another.
I realize Art is total perception of the viewer; What an arist is trying to convey to one demographic may be totaly missed to another. But I feel what we have here is people lashing out at hip-hop due to a technicality.
I admit I added some \"ummph\" to the argument with the freedom of speech aproach. But thats only cause more people can relate to that, if I was to say how i really feel about it...I\'d probable be arguing with every pop-rock-head on the forums. I tried (and was partialy off, I admit) to globalize this as to make it more suceptable to the anti-rappers (aka haterz) across the globe.

 I mean what if it was your music genre under attack by some ass with the whole of middle america tuning in everyday?
He wins those morons over and the next thing yah know there burning rap cd\'s across america

and I am anti-syrian war...its just that I\'ve judged myself not knowledgable enough to win any people over.
Basicly I like to fight battles with enough weapons in my arsenal to combat even the most antagonistic of people.
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2003, 01:28:16 am »
well said paxx

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I mean what if it was your music genre under attack by some ass with the whole of middle america tuning in everyday?
would that make you stop liking and listening to the music? Or make the artists stop writing it? I don\'t think so.

This may have sounded kinda like an attack on rap / hip hop and I didn\'t mean it as one.  I have nothing against those genres, I just don\'t listen to them because I don\'t like the way it sounds.  The messages and words used have nothing to do with it.

As for the Pepsi thing, I don\'t generally pay attention to what celebrity is hocking what product.  What do I care if they really really like Pepsi / Coke / insert product name here .  If I like it, I will buy it, not because somebody told me to.

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2003, 04:59:54 am »
If what O\'Rilley said was false and caused a pop star to loose money, you can be sure that there is a slander suit in the works, however I doubt this is the case, While I dislike O\'Rilley for many issues including being less then 100% honest, and full of himself, he usually has his data pretty straight forward and if it is false he corrects himself, or he looses his audience.

As for hip hop and other ?controversial? music?Face it Rap/Hip-hop is as main stream as it comes right now, no one that has Pepsi endorsement deals needs help to defend their rights, they have really good lawyers to do it. I am sure there was a good severance package involved in all this as well.

Hip-hop artists usually enjoy very short careers, while many have gone on to movies and television, as Rappers it does not last long for many of them, to have said that Hip Hop was marginalized in the mid 80?s I would agree, those who say it is now are whiney little babies looking for attention.

Please look beyond the hype. Cmhitman, I do not know your age, but if you have been listening to hip-hop (mostly friends) since the ?My Adidas? days you would recognize how far hip-hop has come. Are there any classics yet, not really, I can?t say many old school songs come around on the radio or parties other then ?the roof? but that may be changing as well.

Has rap improved, to a degree, there is a lot more style now and you can appreciate more talent then experimentation in the early days the experimentation was all there was, ?the Fat Boys? with their human beat box thing. And when you realize that the most successful hip hop recording artists to date are probably the most successful posers ever ?The Beastie Boys? it shows that there is some way to go yet in hip-hop. But the view that rappers need help with the first amendment???

When Ice-T put out Cop killer, on Body Count?s first album?great album by the way, Ice T and the rest of the band had to cancel shows cause the local police would not secure the concerts, this however was not censorship, and not against freedom of speech, what the cops where doing was making the insurance clauses on the contracts impossible to be fulfilled.

If you really want to get into freedom of speech issues http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org  is a good site to start. While some of the data is a tad bit outdated   http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/02pdf/01-1107.pdf  is a new case where the Supreme Court disallows for the prosecution of cross burners, yet opens the door for new and better written legislation on the subject.

 I implore as many people to educate themselves on the first amendment; it is our most important rights, supported by the rest of the bill of rights, enforces that the legislation can not do certain things.

While many of these have been open for debate for many years now as legislation has infringed on these rights, eventually they come up in the Supreme Court,  and this is truly where the most awe inspiring minds of our nation have resided. While I don?t agree with every conclusion in the Supreme Court, all opinions are very thought out and often beyond my level to reproach, until I read the dissenting argument.

Anyway what I am asking is that people understand what freedom of speech really is, and what it is not.

I believe that by making it encompass more then it does, cheapens it, makes it have less value. Remember you are free to express your ideas and thoughts, but you are not able to do so in a manner that infringes on the rights of another.

Anyway enough of a civics lesson for today.
-Paxx

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2003, 06:32:20 pm »
I\'m 17.
Paxx your break down of hip-hop history is rather flawed.
Hip-hop really doesn\'t need any \"classics\" although there are literally hundreds of thousands. Hip-hop, meaning at the top of contemporary. The reason you don\'t see \"classics\" is because real hip-hop, as its category (although categories are rather restraining) is always \"marked\" and embodies the latest musical break through. This is why hip-hop, is the pinnacle of pop. Its safe to say that hip-hop, like jazz in its hay-day has and still is influencing all other genres for the simple fact that hip-hop is whatever music. Meaning its music composed of whatever sounds good (hence, my qualm with funhouse). It is a descendant of (as is most all pop music, including rock, punk and even country) blues, and is an odd mixture of jazz, and city culture. It?s sad that you haven?t heard or either can\'t understand the likes of.

Almighty rso, ocmc
Krs1 ,sk
nas, sk
talib-kwali,sk
gangstar,sk
gza,sk
B.I.G, rf

An these are just the peak of true M.C\'s.
I would give you a whole break down but I have only but an hour free today and this is taking up surfing time  ;) .
funhouse; if the message and words used have nothing to do with your dislike of it, please explain what \"Sounds\" in particular turn you from it.
like me, I don\'t like some  rock because it has no form what-so-ever and it sounds like morons on stage screaming things they think to have meaning. I can dig nirvana (kurt was a genius), audioslave, and even some of the whacky stuff. I just love music. Period.
maybe you just  haven\'t a fully matured love of music. (don\'t worry, it could come)
 but personaly I think people may take race into account and think:\"Man... It sounds good...if only he was (your race here)..dang! can\'t like \'em\".
I know people containing this train of thought to be a fact. I have friends (black, white, mexican, japanese, puerto rican, chinese) and they all assume that there is black and white music, brown and yellow music...things like that. Like my asian friends are all about this new asian guy who signed wit ruff-ryders , there like: \"man, he\'s chinese, wit skill like that, he\'s better than such-a-such...and such-a-such\'s black!\". I\'m like music is music... dont hold that attitude, because if you really look at it: He learnt from the best and they just happen to be melado (being part-black and white but mostly refered to as black). Just be happy you have people \"drop\'n bombs making hits to break barriers\".  music is one of the most creative of  human expression and should therefore be unjudgeable by one of the lowest parts of human nature (the clanish call within us all; a.k.a. the thing that pits white against black and black against brown) anyway...I\'m going off into another tangent.

ps

there is nothing wrong with an mp3 collection and
I never \"Link\" to music, I like to own music; for
a burned cd does nothing for your hard-copy collection and cds are more valuable than mp3\'s.
the artist should look at it this way: If they didn\'t download it, they wouldn\'t have begun to love it.
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