Has anyone ever explanied clearly...

[Shaman]

That actually sounds like a good idea. Make it so mental stamina doesn't keep you from mining, but makes it riskier. Why not?

[Waylander]

While we're at it?  Why isn't ever other feature perfectly implemented?  Why, not?

Corners have been cut to be returned to later all over the place.  Would you rather have a diamond hunting game with a perfect (and I mean perfect) diamond hunting system or something where you can do multiple things?

On another topic.  Shaman, what part of the dev team have you applied to?  If the answer is none than think twice before responding disrespectfully to Moon who has contributed more than you probably ever will.

[cyber]

"Just because it does."

and ever mined in real life its physically demanding yes but itl also drive ya looney pretty fast too 

[Hiraghm]

Moon's mined for nose goblins, I've seen him do it. And yup, it wore him out...
 

[Raa]

Wait, how do you get tired mentally?

[Bamko]

ok, I have to put in my 2 tria...

Now.. In case you have never noticed.. some people can do tedious hard work hour and after hour.. and others can not.  And not alwasy because of physical reasons.  Ever weed for 16 hours a day, for weeks at a stretch?  I could.  My brother, sister, and frankly a lot of others could not.  they would pull plants....not weeds... or even worse... wander off... bored.

They would want to get paid.. but not do the work... they did not have the mental stamina to keep at it.

How about training sports... My wife today asked if, when I was training boxing, if I ever trained more than an hour... I laughed.. there were months where we would train over 4 hours a day, 7 days a week.  And yes, some were harder trainers than others.

Think Michale (SP?) phelps swam how many hours a day he had to, because it was easy?  Others were probably more physically fit when he started... but he had the mindset to push it and push it... more than almost anyone.

Or even me.. now.. I am supposed to be training my swordmaking.. but I wandered off after about 6 hours... Bamko could keep going, but I needed a mental break...

SEE HOW THAT WORKS?

play suduko for 20 hours straight.. bet you get mentally tired.... same thing for doing other jobs... with discipline, you can train that... IN yliakum there are even trainers who can help you with that.  Intelligence to know you SHOULD be doing it, and why... WILL to have the discipline to keep at it.. and Charisma...well, that is harder.. maybe it reflects how you see yourself, which is as much, if not more, of a factor of how others see you....?  If you think "this is stupid... I am better than this" you will not stick at it.. nor will people like you as much... you arrogant ......

You get my point I hope? 

I wonder about things... I mean.. you guys who do not understand... you ever see someone smart enough and physically able to do a job.. who just seemed to wander off after a few minutes... usually not a lot of self discipline and seen by most as a lazy person....

how is this different?  Good system.. and believable too.

[Satha]

Well, after reading everything that's been said, I see how mental stamina can be drained with mining... But, I'm curious, how many other things drain it? Will, eventually, most things drain mental stamina in some way?

[Nikodemus]

Except you should run out of physical strenghts much faster than of will-to-do it. Not speaking about other activities, but mining is mainly physical work. I did cut down trees too and i know it is Physical effort. I rested not because i couldn't think straight anymore :], but because my muscles was tired and i needed to catch some breath!
AFAIK in PS it is the other way around. First you loose will to do and much much much later you would loose strenghts and even if quite trained, with high stats, you loose mental will to do after like 5 minutes :s. Is that correct?
As i said before, mental stamina would be expected to have something to do with skill learning and in case of physical activities not a factor deciding if you need to rest. For that one there is Stamina.

I don't see a reason for justifying a system, which obviously has some basic flaws.

[Xordan]

Probably the stamina calc for mining just needs a bit of tweaking.

[Dajoji]

When I go jogging or hop on the treadmill I sometimes do a good 45-minute run. The hardest part is always the first five minutes. Once I get into it I don't feel more tired at minute 38 than I felt at minute 15. I think mental stamina has to do with that 5th minute barrier. Some people can't keep on and stop when they hit it, while others push through.

Perhaps the system could use a little tweaking but then I'm sure there are other much more urgent priorities.

Maybe miners get tired mentally because they are afraid the next time they swing their pick they'll make the stalactite crumble... but then, if they are anything like the human race, they won't care one bit as long as they get rich .

[Garris Shrike]

enh, work makes you tired both physically and mentally in some cases, but ALWAYS mentally. Wouldn't you rather be doing something else?

[Hiraghm]

When you work long enough and hard enough, the wear on your body chemistry affects your mental/emotional state. You start making mistakes, not because you become less able to swing the pickaxe, but because your attentiveness decreases. Doing real, physical work, like mining or construction, does have a mental wear to it. And there is more to mining than simply swinging a pickaxe. As you tire, your perception is altered, your judgement is impaired, and your thinking is slowed.

By midafternoon, with the hundred-degree sun beating down on you, and everything covered in dirt and dust, every breath becomes a heated effort. You stumble along with your mind numbed, relying on the years of practice and reflex to keep your body going to the end of the day, repetitive motion becomes the rhythm of your life, and your thoughts contract to within the circle of your own stumbling steps. This is when mistakes happen; this is when people get hurt or killed. Not because they collapse (although that does happen), but because the mind no longer works as it should.

[Feline Prince]

Well my reasoning behind it being the mental capacity to push past the feeling of fatigue was based on the fact its improved by increasing WIll, Intellegence and Charisma. The same way physical stamina is increased by the physical stats. That and the fact you collapse.

It could well be that it is the ability to maintain attentiveness and its just that the Devs haven't implemented it properly yet.

As the current mechanics stand I think my theory makes more sense. Not that it matters a massive amount. It achieves the goal of stopping people mining forever and doing nothing else and it doesn't really hinder roleplaying either as if you do get tired and stab yourself your gonna stop digging... Unless you digging yourself away from an Ulbernaught or something... I dunno..

[Crackken]

Wait, how do you get tired mentally?

Someone has never done hours of math homework on end. 

[Raa]

Wait, how do you get tired mentally?

Someone has never done hours of math homework on end. 

No... In fact, due to my unruly defiance to those with higher authority, I was once forced to do math problems for over 12 hours straight. Yeah, it was torture (especially when I got home and my parents were like "ZOMG U EFFIN STOOPID GURL"), but I didn't get mentally tired. Maybe it's just because I'm awesome, or a higher being, like... the new Messiah... most likely the Antichrist...

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