[WAR] The Warriors vs. Prophets of Chaos

[Elvors]

The Prophets of Chaos have started to claim the lives of innocents.
Magic was used to slay bystanders and people who just happened to be at the wrong place.
Most didn't even get a warning, nor an explanation.

We have realized that, if this is left unchecked, the Prophets of Chaos might establish a reign of terror, in those areas where the gods avert
their eyes. [I.e. the PvP areas where you can get challenged against your will: Dlayo Pit, and Camp Banished.]

This is inacceptable.

We have sworn to protect the innocent.

Honoring this oath, we say this to the Prophets of Chaos:
"You have been told again and again to stop this.
You have ignored all warnings - now face the consequences. There will be war within the month."

To those guilds and individuals who have already joined this cause:
If you have any questions, talk to Guardian Grizzlyus or Lady Sanxx, of The Warriors, or any other Warrior.

If you have expressed your interest to join: Now is the time to commit yourself!
If you hadn't heard about the conflict yet: you're welcome to stand up for the rights of the many!
Again, talk to Grizzlyus or Sanxx, tell them how you would like to help. You could participate with magic or steel, or donate or lend equipment or money.
And don't forget: what's in your heart is more important than what's in your hand!

We'd like to thank Perlan for starting this initiative. We're just picking up where you couldn't continue.
We're thanking the guilds and individual who already offered their help. You're the best of Yliakum, folks!

Writing on the behalf of The Warriors
Elvors Amenoras
Mystic Warrior in the guild of The Warriors

[Vannaka]

[while i'm not opposed to a war (and was a major component in starting one) i would like to point out that you can't seriously take this war IC, because the prophets of chaos was made a secret guild, and all members killing in camp banished masked themselves.  Claiming that you know it was the prophets is just bad roleplay.  Also most killed in camp banish were warned, and only those that appeared aggressive were not.  Just make sure everyone remembers it's a game, and don't be mad OOCly about the war, that makes me sad.[

[Shaman]

[Excuse me? Claiming that the Prophets even exist is bad roleplay. It's a guild full of powerlevelers.]

[Elvors]

[Well, how do you roleplay being masked? How do you roleplay unmasking? How to you resolve the outcome when somebody tries to unmask another? Besides, when I was as Camp Banished, that masking wasn't mentioned, and I can't re-read the descriptions every time.
Claiming you're masked is ok, but claiming it after the fact is just godmodding.]

[Vannaka]

[we've all stuck to a policy of writing the mast or cloak into our description since this RP started, most people who stopped and talked had time to read it, or if they roleplayed as if they knew we were a prophet or knew our character we simply told them in brackets that we're masked.  I don't know if many warriors had this opportunity though since they didn't last all that long in the camp.  probably didn't have time.  ]

[Excuse me? Claiming that the Prophets even exist is bad roleplay. It's a guild full of powerlevelers.]

[well that's just steriotyping, we have all types in the prophets, from Asonoh who has never roleplayed in his life, to me who roleplays and levels, and even a few who spend a few hours every day in that tavern yapping away.]

[Shaman]

[That's just it though. I take it that Asonoh was there when this happened? If he doesn't roleplay, what's his significance in the story of the Prophets?]

[Elvors]

[we've all stuck to a policy of writing the mast or cloak into our description since this RP started, most people who stopped and talked had time to read it, or if they roleplayed as if they knew we were a prophet or knew our character we simply told them in brackets that we're masked.

Well, I have talked to several PoC members at or near the camp, and they usually didn't make it clear - though it's quite possible I didn't mention their names.

Still, that doesn't resolve the question how to roleplay unmasking. There's no good way to determine the outcome, it would be either a die roll (but how to assign probabilities?) or godmodding of one of the other kind ("I see you through!" - "no you don't!"), or too lengthy to be practical (you don't do this kind of negotiation if flying stones might come at any moment).

[Grizzlyus]

For me this is a simple issue

members of the Prophets of chaos have been slaughtering innocent citizens

those doing it have not been expelled from guild so i take it that the guild agrees with their actions

therefore the guild as a whole is held acountable

simple . . . . dont 'muddy the waters' with talk of OOC and 'masking'

[Sen]

[
Hello

I hesitate a bit to see it as a roleplay event. This war looks more like some players having problems with another and the war would mean a mix of ic and ooc (sorry for mentioning ic/ooc again). What is the goal of either side; do both sides agree to it as it should be imho in a good rp?
For me it would look better if you could agree on rules and make them public for those who want to take part in the roleplay - right now it seems like this war will p*** some players off...

Sen
]

[Garris Shrike]

[Well, let's put it this way.


If you all are worried about any roleplay events, etc....Garris Shrike has all of the answers.

Due to a confrontation with the leaders of the "nonexistent" guilds, he now has the information needed to make this totally IC. Not saying I'm doing this to be a jerk, but it's true. The roleplay with both sides has been totally awesome]

[Earl_Listbard]

[Ahh a war, I would like to take this time to THANK the warriors and the prophets of chaos... This will be very good for planeshift, a war gives drama to rp. And Im no PoC fan, but Shaman do you honestly have room to talk when it comes to ooc vs ic?]

[Kedhran]

[While OOCly I would fully support this, I don't think anyone in this forum has actually received any clear answer as to what PoC actualloy is... which would make fighting them on any terms somewhat difficult  ]

[Elvors]

[Sen is right - this war has a large OOC motivation. There's also an IC motivation; just pick what suits you best :-)

Regarding OOC:
Vannaka talks a lot about roleplay. In fact most PoC members get the IC/OOC separation right; however, they neglected that roleplay is about having fun together, even if you're on opposite sides. I wouldn't mind making Elvors unhappy, provided a great story unfolds from that. And "great" means I can tell it to friend and they want to hear the end. Don't think roleplay as a football match, think of it as a theatre play, where the actors and the audience are one and the same.
So, if you need to kill a weak character for IC reason, talk to him OOC and ask him for his or her consent. If that's impossible due to lack of time, at least send an apology afterwards - and get their consent for the next time.
If you just kill, you're not generating great stories, you're generating unhappy players.

Remember: PlaneShift is intended to be fun to play. Yes, that includes other players, and yes, this even includes clueless players.

Well, these are the OOC reasons for the war.
For the OOC aspects, I think number of players on each side is more important than which side guild-yields.

Now for the IC aspects:

We're similar to many crusader orders. We try to help people, but lacking an effective investigative police force and methods, we're forced to work on hearsay and thin evidence. Somebody drew a line between PoC and Camp Banished, there was nothing that contradicted that line, so we simply assume the line is real and act on that assumption.

So don't insist on watertight evidence. It is not necessary to have such a thing to start a war.

Maybe the next war will be based on assumptions that all players know are wrong, but the characters don't. This could become part of a great story.]

[zorbels]

Remember: PlaneShift is intended to be fun to play. Yes, that includes other players, and yes, this even includes clueless players.

Well how refreashing! Perhaps the newer players can learn some RP and how it works from watching the more experienced players.
I also like the fact that you have pick which reasons (either IC or OOC) and just play or don't join at all attitude. Your including everyone and that is an important thing to do with events.

Really people do you have to pick it apart? Just make something of the roleplay and use the event to have fun. Don't flood the forums with mindless nitpicking about this being too OOC and not enough IC or the other way around. Just enjoy that someone has went out of their way to make an event that's NOT a GM event and roll with it. Isn't that what players want? More events? My worry is if we keep picking apart every little thing with these events then your most likely going to scare away people who want to throw events. (Most of the time half the people who comment have never thrown a Event and don't understand how much hard work it can really be. Though I don't know if that is the case with the posters in this thread. )  After the event things should be suggested and discussed so that any future events might run a little more smoothly. Trial and error is what will make the RP community grow.  Good luck and I hope this event works out regardless of who joins in.

  Me personally, I kind of like the idea that a guild is not putting up with other citizens harming others with magic whether it be on purpose or by accident. That is generally what the war is about correct?

[Elvors]

Me personally, I kind of like the idea that a guild is not putting up with other citizens harming others with magic whether it be on purpose or by accident. That is generally what the war is about correct?

You hit the nail on the head.
Not by the letter, but very much in spirit.
Thanks for your post. You reminded me who I'm doing this all for: people with an eye for the essential, like you.