Roleplay Dismay No Way!!!

[Keldrena]

Coneitic, if you hate GM events so much why do you even go near them? It must be hard to have to be near roleplay that sucks so much.

[Kedhran]

That's all subjective, Coneitic.  The one objective fact here is that smugly bragging "Mine is better than yours" is universally frowned upon, and likely untrue (Maybe you are a good RPer, I've never played with you, but that's not what I'm calling into question here).

[Raekh]

again who you know had laanx talk to them =)

Hope you arent talking about that "We challenge the Gods"- 'RP'? Where you eagerly proclaimed afterwards it was all valid and within the Settings?
I agree, the first few minutes this one was interesting, but too soon it turned out to have a poor and embarassing ending.
If I would battle inside Kadas ignoring everything, sooner or later GM guards will appear - would I brag about that?
Better luck next time Coneitic, honestly, hope your next plots will evolve matured. (And really, dont have your enki wield a claymore with his tail )

Should roleplaying be enforced?
I think its still mainly the RP-players that make PS have a decent, special atmosphere. These RPers furthermore try out PS because its announced as a RP-game. Okay, Devs say roleplaying is actually encouraged. I think its encouraged way too less. Its arguable if the current efforts can be taken as "encouraging", but I am probably not the only one who knows quite some people who left because they were disappointed about what type of "roleplay" they found ingame.
First of all there should be a definition of Roleplaying. Is playing the player's personality really the sort of roleplaying wanted? Many do think so. That way numerous discussions on this board could be avoided.
Then I see so many discussions ala "RP vs RL". If you would decide to give the game a certain definition, other than "Roleplaying is welcome, but running around lol'ing is awesome too, feel free, it's PlaneShift!" would avoid quite some trouble and poison spread across these forums. I read the Devs dont really want to get rid of the "PLers", because they max out skills and can test abilities that hardly others can do. PS is pre-alpha and needs testers. Fine, I totally agree. I only hope if the game will ever be finished, there will still be roleplayers around - this last remark is highly influenced by many "RP-nazi"- and other countless RPer-unfavoring- posts I saw reading these forums.
Would I enforce roleplaying? No, I would tweak differently.

[Mythryndel]

Well... all I can say is... thanks for proving my point Coneitic... It is not ONLY PLers that are disruptive and arrogant. Being a self-proclaimed RPer... and the attitude expressed here today... kinda speaks volumes...

[Coneitic]

Coneitic, if you hate GM events so much why do you even go near them? It must be hard to have to be near roleplay that sucks so much.

to be honest everyone i've been around has started next to me. haha i remember trying to rob a gm during an event and he didnt know how to act he had to ooc me to stop.

That's all subjective, Coneitic.  The one objective fact here is that smugly bragging "Mine is better than yours" is universally frowned upon, and likely untrue (Maybe you are a good RPer, I've never played with you, but that's not what I'm calling into question here).

i dont mean to come off that much like mine is better. i mean i could never compete with UTM's storys. hes a great write with an even better imagination. to bad my first hour playing i got him to hate me forever. but i can assure you im quite good at rping. especially spontaneos rp.

and if it makes you feel better a person i helped train to rp became a gm! oh noez

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and yes that rp, i still defend that it was valid. i was spoken to by laanx and sent to the dr for it. so if it wasnt valid a gm claiming to be laanx and taking action would only further it....

poor and embarassing ending for who? its exactly what i wanted. one thing i have noticed is if you challenge the settings a gm will always intervene. at least in my case.

i just dont get how u call it a poor ending, an athiest cursing the gods and trying to get others to follow him was struck down by the very thing he preached wasnt there. im sorry if my toon was wrong IC but IC coneitic is a simple minded criminal who never wins. i set my enki up for failure everytime.

its easy to play a know it all hero. or a mastermind thief. but the true rp'ers find the challenge in playing a simple charactor. so if thats poor than to each his own.

Well... all I can say is... thanks for proving my point Coneitic... It is not ONLY PLers that are disruptive and arrogant. Being a self-proclaimed RPer... and the attitude expressed here today... kinda speaks volumes...

i'll say it again

/fanboy

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[Raa]

Coneitic, I think you mean to say tune, not toon. 

I have to agree with you, Raekh. PS barely encourages roleplay. RuneScape (gasp!) has better roleplayers than PlaneShift. Even the hormone-controlled twelve-year-old noobs roleplay better than the average players here. (Ooo, diss!) Sad, really. Didn't want to bring this up until now since I was afraid y'all would cannibalize me. ._.

[Dajoji]

dont discourage my rp because its better than yours.

if your doing a gm event and my little rp event on the other side of the plaza is more exciting and attracting your crowd... dont you get mad, come join in too.

i wont /ignore you

even if you /cry

Ummm... ok, if you really think GMs will discourage your RP you don't really know what we are here for. If your event is doing wonders for the RP environment in PS, please, go ahead and keep it up. However, if you decide to disrupt another RP, be that a GM event or some other player's just because you want to prove a point, you will have to face the consequences of your bad behavior.

Now you can keep going on and on about how great a RPer you are and how miserable everyone is in your shadow or you can actually read what others are posting here and realize that has nothing to do with this conversation.

Nobody wants RP to be discouraged. If anything, we want to discourage disruptive behavior. I personally find that policing RP will cause more disruptions than not doing so but I'm open to testing this and find a way to make it work, if possible. It's just not that simple.

[Mythryndel]

Please explain your "/fanboy" comment. Yes, I like PS. Yes, I enjoy playing and interacting with others in-game in an in-character way. If you are implying that I am simply spewing the PS party-line... um... might I suggest you read some of my other posts. I frequently clash (respectfully, unlike your current comments) with PS notables and Devs on the forums. You don't get to simply gloss over my arguments just because you think I am [EDIT]not being objective enough or agreeing with you that PS sucks.

[zanzibar]

GM involvement in roleplay actually results in more bad than good. The reason for that is, a lot of people surround the GM, roleplayer or not, thinking they'll get a reward by participating. That isn't really the proper message to convey, as seen in many events.

Well, I think the answer here is to make GM events very common, and to not always provide rewards.  I think this is already starting to happen since I didn't get a reward for the haunted tavern event.  Also, to make events more casual.  They could be as simple as a traveller spending some time at one of the taverns.  The GM would have to carry a conversation, but there would be no conflict to solve or plot to it, and no reward either except the conversation itself.

[neko kyouran]

Long ago, there used to be a time when the GMs stood around Harny's just chilling and having a good time mingling and having fun and whatnot while they occasionally did their GM thing. They were just part of the crowd and was treated as such.

IMO, when it was decided that they should stay all invisible like and only reveal themselves when needed or events is when they started to get the "oh look, a GM showed himself.  they must be up to something interesting.  I'm going to go follow them and see what happens even though that's completely out of character for the type of character i'm playing to do so." thing happened.

but that's just me being an old fart again.

[Mythryndel]

How many of you went to high school? How many saw a fight happen on the school grounds? How many people, that under normal circumstances wouldn't even know what a punch is, were drawn in and just had to see what was going on? When something interesting is happening (define interesting any way you like), people talk and everyone wants to be involved in some way. This is RL... but is mirrored in PS. Sorry... but this is one of those incredibly annoying things about the human race.... why should PS be any different? Unless Aliens have invaded the internet, or cats are really controlling the mice... there is a person in front of every keyboard playing PS.

[Illysia]

GM involvement in roleplay actually results in more bad than good. The reason for that is, a lot of people surround the GM, roleplayer or not, thinking they'll get a reward by participating. That isn't really the proper message to convey, as seen in many events.

Not true, Allelia gets ignored quite regularly and scoffed at times. A lot of times people say "my character wouldn't get involved in that" and walk away.

cuz my rp was better =)

to show that at the time people were already bored with the redundancy of gm events. because they dont pull people in with the great rp and storyline and action.

The reason for that is, a lot of people surround the GM, roleplayer or not, thinking they'll get a reward by participating. That isn't really the proper message to convey, as seen in many events.

had a good point there

Gm events fail... but gm participation in others rp events win. they can decide if the rp is valid and worth helping out to increase the fun.

First, it is not the GM's job to pull people, it's the Rper's job to join on their own, otherwise it would be scripted.  Second, most of the time most of the people never know there is a GM event going on.... poor GMs.  and third, GM's getting involved with player RPs would get ugly quick.

It would start with whining "that's not fair", move on to accusations of favoritism, and move to tying up RP with petty arguments and complaints.

again who you know had laanx talk to them =)

Actually, I do know of someone else having Laanx talk to them. 

dont discourage my rp because its better than yours.

if your doing a gm event and my little rp event on the other side of the plaza is more exciting and attracting your crowd... dont you get mad, come join in too.

i wont /ignore you

even if you /cry

This was uncalled for.  If your RP is so great, get in game and work it out. Debating with GM's on the forums won't prove anything.

[zanzibar]

Long ago, there used to be a time when the GMs stood around Harny's just chilling and having a good time mingling and having fun and whatnot while they occasionally did their GM thing. They were just part of the crowd and was treated as such.

IMO, when it was decided that they should stay all invisible like and only reveal themselves when needed or events is when they started to get the "oh look, a GM showed himself.  they must be up to something interesting.  I'm going to go follow them and see what happens even though that's completely out of character for the type of character i'm playing to do so." thing happened.

but that's just me being an old fart again.

That's only part of the story though.  There was disruptive behavior at times, and it was decided to fundamentally change how GMs interact with the players.  You could argue that one person spoiled it for the bunch.  If the goal is to be IC all the time then it makes sense.  Game Masters, when they're being Game Masters, are OOC.

dont discourage my rp because its better than yours.

if your doing a gm event and my little rp event on the other side of the plaza is more exciting and attracting your crowd... dont you get mad, come join in too.

i wont /ignore you

even if you /cry

This was uncalled for.  If your RP is so great, get in game and work it out. Debating with GM's on the forums won't prove anything.

Alright, I'm officially confused.

[Under the moon]

* Under the moon chuckles.

I find it greatly amusing how several people on this forum try to dictate who I 'hate', and try to use that to justify why things turn sour on them. But, that is another subject all together.

On the subject of GMs, not all of them are Roleplayers. Some just joined up to help players with bugs and combat cheaters. They deserve a lot of respect for what they do, as it is just as -or more- important than making events or roleplaying a part. Sometimes these GMs are asked to be stand-ins for events and do not expect to have to say anything. Events do not always go according to plan. Accept it and move on.

As for player events being better than GM events? For the most part, no. I have seen events from both sides and GM events are generally better constructed and more cohesive than player events. The occasional player event does pop up that is exceptional in nature, but they are not usually widely excepted by other players.

I have started several events in the past few months without a script and using a player label. They were fluid, easy to follow (yet with a complex feel), enjoyable, and drew in just the size crowd I wanted. I was also a part of a large event that lasted for a few weeks and involved both GMs and Devs in a very loose and unscripted plot with an open ending. I assure you, Sir Coneitic, you are not even close to being in the same league in planned or spontaneous events. Keep practicing, and perhaps some day you will be. If your 'event' was truly more interesting than the GM event, you would have drawn all of the players, not just a few with ADHD.

*edit: This thread is quickly devolving. To keep it from getting locked, I suggest keeping the generalizations and subjective or hostile comments towards GMs to a minimum.

[zanzibar]

Answers I don't understand to questions I didn't realize were asked. 

Being nice is always a good suggestion.

Hopefully, down the road, roleplay events will be so common that if two are happening at the same time, no one will get upset.