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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 02:19:47 pm »
If worshipping a god is going to be required to come back from death (and think of the RP implications, you might actually have to stop and type out the prayer to laanx 5 times every PS day...) I would just like to see a god that is less 'pagan' then the ones we have now

Do you mean more Christian? Talad and Laanx are very like Yahweh when combined. Laanx seems to suggest the more stoic duties of Christianity such as active participation in civic duties as well as the cruelty of the old testement god while Talad seems to show the new testement's live and let live Epicurean way of life rather well. Its a typical Appolonian and Dionysian split as we see throughout most world religions, modern fiction and ancient mythology.
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2008, 08:59:36 pm »
If worshipping a god is going to be required to come back from death (and think of the RP implications, you might actually have to stop and type out the prayer to laanx 5 times every PS day...) I would just like to see a god that is less 'pagan' then the ones we have now

Do you mean more Christian? Talad and Laanx are very like Yahweh when combined. Laanx seems to suggest the more stoic duties of Christianity such as active participation in civic duties as well as the cruelty of the old testement god while Talad seems to show the new testement's live and let live Epicurean way of life rather well. Its a typical Appolonian and Dionysian split as we see throughout most world religions, modern fiction and ancient mythology.

If that's true for Talad, it's not true for follower's of Talad based on my experiences with the NPCs.
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2008, 12:01:18 am »
Coneitic was an athiest for the longest time... tell he started to revolt with duraza in the plaza and Laanx spoke to us.

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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2008, 04:55:19 am »
Coneitic was an athiest for the longest time... tell he started to revolt with duraza in the plaza and Laanx spoke to us.

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Uh, what?  I thought that was against the rules.  Laanx entered the game and spoke to ME too during the Octarch affair, but then I was told it never happened and to erase it from my character's RP memory.
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2008, 05:49:50 am »
Maybe in both cases it was some other powerful being pretending to be Laanx, how would a mere mortal know the difference?

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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2008, 05:59:31 am »
We weren't given the option of interpreting it for ourselves.  We were told that it was a mistake, and it never happened as far as our characters are concerned.
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2008, 09:55:52 am »
The occasions where Laanx spoke were ill-concieved, unauthorised and should be considered ooc, the GM involved was reprimanded so please dont use as an example of valid rp
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2008, 05:41:37 pm »
Coneitic was an athiest for the longest time... tell he started to revolt with duraza in the plaza and Laanx spoke to us.

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Yes, /thread. That answers all the questions people may have about the metaphysics of the world of PS.  ???
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2008, 11:53:52 pm »
If the complete settings information is possible to discover from an in character point of view could there not be a belief posited that the gods are not separate entities but rather aspects taken on by Vodul for reasons unknowable by mortals or is his part of the creation story unknown to the inhabitants? Certainly such a belief could be seen as a form of atheism in context.

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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2008, 12:07:47 am »
If the complete settings information is possible to discover from an in character point of view could there not be a belief posited that the gods are not separate entities but rather aspects taken on by Vodul for reasons unknowable by mortals or is his part of the creation story unknown to the inhabitants? Certainly such a belief could be seen as a form of atheism in context.

Wouldn't Yliakum society treat such an individual as a pitiful lunatic, the same way Atheists are seen in game as per the current info in the character generator?
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2008, 01:45:43 am »
I am fairly sure Vodúl is unknown to most if not all characters.
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2008, 06:31:48 pm »
The point I was making is it is possible to question just about anything despite what appear to be incontrovertible facts.

Unless people are forced to wear their faith on their sleeve it is possible to believe anything you want and get along in society. If I believed that vodul was all there was I would be treated like a lunatic only as much as I tried to insist on my beliefs. If I only mentioned it casually as a possibility to others not fanatical in their beliefs I could be put down as a harmless eccentric. If I tried to convert Sharven it would be a much different story. Everything is relative.

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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2008, 08:02:09 pm »
Reading this started to make me think that there can be a type of atheist who professes a belief in one god or other and that only for whatever they can get out of the deal. From what I can tell in the game it is largely similar to life in that it is mostly a one way proposition. You worship the god and the god ignores you completely. The only caveat to this in the game is that at some point Dakkru's curse will supposedly be ameliorated at a rate consistent with your belief.  That is not to say that there are no benefits that derive strictly from joining the god's earthly organization. So such an atheist as I suggest would join the religion for the contacts that can be made and profess belief only as profusely as needed to manipulate their intended listener. Whatever they actually believe need never be exposed to the light of day. I would call this your pragmatic atheist.

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Now this might not be possible if the gods played a more active role in the game, such as by some form of magic only available to the truly faithful although this would likely be impossible to code. It would require god-like insight into the motivations of the character. Of course a god might be unconcerned with mortal motivations and reward those mortals who are, for whatever reason, useful to them.

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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2008, 06:30:21 am »
I made a thread that was based on this discussion.  A moderator felt I was pointing out an inconsistency, so he moved my thread to The Great Inconsistency Hunt.  You can read the post here.
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Re: Some honest questions about Atheism in the settings
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2008, 05:09:01 pm »
That was the same post I linked but I felt my reply belonged here more than in the official "inconsistency" thread as my points were not germane to settings inconsistencies but rather to character perspective. I did not want to clutter up that other thread and my comments did kind of follow those made previously in this thread.

The point is that it is not always possible to determine a characters real motivation without divine guidance and that possibly there should be some kind of religious magic apart from the traditional magic of Ways in order to distinguish between true faith and pragmatic atheism.