Gugrontid Bartender?

[Sen]

It needs not only the bartender but also the players willing to buy the drinks there and spend time there. That might be the harder part in Gugrontid.
I spent there some days when it was new and tried to sell some things... more guests would probably help in players doing the bartenders part.

Anyway, I voted no just for the chance to make this tavern different and as chance for the players to make something 'own' out of it.

Sen

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

To augment my idea... if 'thirst, hunger and suchforth was implimented.. then players would have to buy food..'  something to look forward to.

[Raa]

No one goes there anyway. Why should we care?  My chars don't go there, but that's mostly a lag issue.

I'm going to vote yes because I'd rather have an NPC run it, not some random people whenever they feel like it. Just for realism's sake.

What would be awesome is if certain (responsible and mature) players were allowed to actually play the NPC bartender. I don't really know why people liked not having a set bartender in Kada El's, but maybe it's just the interaction. This way, you would have interaction, and the GMs wouldn't have to waste their time playing an NPC. There could be a log of some sort that will keep the NPC-players updated on what happened during other NPC-players' shifts. Doubt this would happen, but I think it's a good idea...

[Manar]

Funny, that tavern has been on my mind a lot lately... and I can't say I'm surprised to see this thread.

I rather like the idea of a tavern run just by players. Much as I like Allelia, I wouldn't particularly care for sharing the bar with her at Kada-El's. Although, considering the Broken Head's layout, I think an NPC there might be less of a problem.

While have tended the bar at the Broken Head a little, I hadn't decided if I should put any real time into it. But with this thread here, maybe there'll be more than a person every two hours.

( Also; it'd be nice to have a kettle there. )

[Illysia]

I say no, but I too think there should be a NPC waitresss.

I wanted to RP as the cook there but until a stove(specifically a stove) is put in all the other cooking things there are quite useless for making meals. And as for the Kegs, I sincerely doubt anyone knows how to use them. You need a reason to be there. Honestly, until you can make stuff, to offer to players, right in the tavern, it isn't likely someone is going to bring it with them to offer it. I know, I tried, it is way too much effort.

[Tontow]

Why not have a fully staffed (by NPCs) bar for once?
And maby even some NPC clients?

Its just too empty in there....

[Velh Krome]

for once

I supposed Kada El's was meant to be all NPC driven since the appearance of Allelia. Furthermore I think this is about asking if making some change, giving players a chance to involve that is, was appreciated. After Allelia popped up back in the days, there was a discussion right about that, why cant players keep on leading the tavern the way they did until that day, and so on.

[Rizin]

I say no, but I too think there should be a NPC waitresss.

I wanted to RP as the cook there but until a stove(specifically a stove) is put in all the other cooking things there are quite useless for making meals. And as for the Kegs, I sincerely doubt anyone knows how to use them. You need a reason to be there. Honestly, until you can make stuff, to offer to players, right in the tavern, it isn't likely someone is going to bring it with them to offer it. I know, I tried, it is way too much effort.

Possibly, the addition of a stove, once we have the ability to do that.

[Edig]

not quite sure I see what the issue is.  I've seen people rp with Allelia all the time in Kada-el's.  Hell, even I go in and ask her for my usual water which she gives me gladly, then I hand her over my 3-5 tria depending on my mood.  Meanwhile, I ask her how her day has been or how she is, and she DOES respond.  People have been known to rp as her assistant and so forth.

If you are good at rp, then it doesn't matter if there is an npc barkeep or not.

As for the comment about a fully staffed NPC bar, been to Oja lately?  Brado's is fully staffed with a cook, two waiters, and bartender.  it may not have npc customers, but I hardly see the point to inject npc's everywhere.   I thought the point of the game was to RP with other players?  (which would be one good reason to not have a barkeep in Gugrontid.

(BTW, could one of the settings people tell us what the background of the bar would be?  I know I've read it in game.  Maybe that would help with people making their decision.  Like... Didn't the creator of the bar die or something?)

And personally, there are other things I'd like to see finished first before a bartender is installed in a bar.  But that's another thread.

[nedoko]

I vote no, people should RP the bartender. However, I agree with a tavern owner who doesn't sell and isn't behind the bar and maybe a few other NPCs.

[Velh Krome]

Edig,
Gugrontid's tavern is all empty since it was added. There were some attempts to bring some life in there, player driven ones of course.

I thought the point of the game was to RP with other players?  (which would be one good reason to not have a barkeep in Gugrontid.

All dandy, but doesnt look like players could manage to get something started there.
To ask now, after a while of having a dead place there, if people want to take the role of a bartender there at all, I think its more than valid to do so.

To play with an NPC in NPC-tab might be working, given a detailed database, but you will be the only one able to read its replies. No player will be able to interact with the two of you and your chat. To me such has always been intermediate jokes, but nothing comparable to having a player's char there.

[Shaman]

I actually had a nice one-on-one RP with a volunteer bartender at Gugrontid just the other day. I found it pretty fun, I just wish roleplayers went there on the regular basis. The only person who went there was a person who wanted to train her cooking, so I think it isn't really the fault of there not being an NPC bartender, but just that it's right next to the platinum mines.

[Mythryndel]

To be honest, until there is in-game DEMAND for goods and services provided by a tavern/bar/grill... you are not going to draw players there on a regular basis. It is not going to be worth the Players time to sit and rot up there waiting on people to show up. It would also help if player created food was edible (last time i tried to eat anything I made, it didn't work). Endless hours of mining will at least require a break when there is food required to sustain your HP. I'm not going to say it will be terribly profitable, but it will force a bit more interaction between players or make the miners reserve some of their precious carrying capacity to bring food with them.

It is difficult enough to play a weapon merchant right now, even given the demand for weapons in-game.... and you want people to buy items they can't even use from a place nobody bothers to go... that is always empty every time i have looked around it? This is a serious chicken and egg problem. I can't fault players for not going there, when it is empty 99% of the time. I cannot fault players for not sitting up there waiting on someone to show up either.

However, I think, at least until there are more reasons to be there, it is not unwarranted to have a couple of NPCs doing something in there, and offering a much needed service or two. Maybe have the NPCs only work shifts and go away, or (if possible) allow the NPCs to go on break when a player asks them for a quest... allowing the player to take over the duties assigned to the NPC.

My opinion at the moment, is stubbornly demanding that the tavern stay empty (which not everyone is doing... i have read the posts) is not going to bring any real change to this tavern. A single player is incapable of manning the tavern all day, every day. And if other PC merchants are any indicator, we are not even going to have a team of them dedicated to this one location in the game either. Supply and Demand... there is little supply... and even less demand.

[verden]

Tavern in Hydlaa used to not have a bartender. Being a bartender at Kada-El's used to be a kind of a rite of passage I thought. The seemed to always have people doing serious RP in it. This was just a couple of years ago. Maybe just leave Gugrontid alone, and see if the players who really want to RP start showing up there. Add a further, even harder to get to tavern and inn somewhere else as soon as possible. Kada's is just not the same anymore. But it still has the best fire. That fireplace and fire are definitely cool.

[Shaman]

Gugrontid has a fireplace too.