Guildhouse Auction

[Bovek Pelequn]

Updates have been posted in the opening message.

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=34368.0

[Prolix]

Thank you for the update and additional information

[Garris Shrike]

That's rather disappointing. Reserve prices are worthless.

[Arerano]

So, again no guild house for my guild.
Honestly I am pretty pissed.

[Shaman]

Uh...I thought something was going to be done for the -roleplaying- guilds?

[Garris Shrike]

I'm going to have to agree with Shaman and Arerano.

There will be little guildhouse purchases this auction, if the reserve is set so high. The only guilds who even could have purchased one are guilds who already have one.

Not to mention the 3-guild alliance may not have the funds. While we do have several million, it's not likely we'll have 10 million. That's plain-out ridiculous. Not only are we aknowledged as an RP force, but we've got the money to back it up. And now, there will likely not be the chance to have a guildhouse.

disgusting.

[Arerano]

Uh...I thought something was going to be done for the -roleplaying- guilds?

Yeah, that was said last time.

I expect prices to be higher than ever before with the platinum abundance. Makes me wonder if roleplaying guilds will get a chance of buying a guildhouse.

No

[Bovek Pelequn]

Before things get too far, reserve prices for the auction are set based on a variety of factors.  They are in line with the current state of wealth in the community, and with the prices of the last round of auctions.  There are other factors as well.  All have had equal access to the various resources to build wealth, so if you chose to not pursue those opportunities, that decision was yours.

I didn't make the platinum mine exist, but there it is.  I didn't make anyone spend hundreds of hours there, but there they are, even as I write this.  If all you have is a few hundred thousand tria in your treasury, it wouldn't have mattered about the reserve, as you'd have been hopelessly outbid anyway.

I wish you all good luck this weekend.

[Arerano]

with the prices of the last round of auctions.

I disagree and have to correct you there: 12 Millions was the max so far. The most recent house sold for 1.6 Millions. (To my knowledge)

I didn't make anyone spend hundreds of hours there, but there they are, even as I write this.  If all you have is a few hundred thousand tria in your treasury, it wouldn't have mattered about the reserve, as you'd have been hopelessly outbid anyway.

Even if we had 7 Millions (don't worry, we don't) it wouldn't matter because:

Reserve Prices per house

• Gugrontid Lower Village: 12 Million
• Hydlaa Winch Terrace: 12 Million
• North Hydlaa Terrace: 10 Million
• East Hydlaa Terrace: 10 Million
• Ojaveda: 8 Million

So instead of giving roleplayers a fair chance.. they could be lucky maybe..
No way - who cares about the minority anyway.

This rather sounds like "promoting power leveling/power mining" instead of "encouraging roleplaying".

[Prolix]

Actors in medieval times were notoriously poor unless they had a rich benefactor. If you role-playing guilds cannot find a way to make your fancies pay off from the populace perhaps you need to privately petition the gods/governments for favor, i.e. make concrete proposals to the gm/dev team as to what duties you are willing to undertake in order to be allowed to use otherwise occupied spaces. I cannot say for sure that such an approach would work but I think it has a better chance than just complaining.

Sure it is not particularly fair that grinding ore is the main way to get cash and many miners care for nothing else but that is the state of the game and is unlikely to change very soon. All cash in the game comes from engaging with the game mechanics and those willing to work for it have no obligation to others.

If your role play glosses over your sources of income and you use imaginary funds amongst yourselves how can you expect to gain the concrete trappings that come from it?

[ThomPhoenix]

All have had equal access to the various resources to build wealth, so if you chose to not pursue those opportunities, that decision was yours.

I didn't make the platinum mine exist, but there it is.  I didn't make anyone spend hundreds of hours there, but there they are, even as I write this.  If all you have is a few hundred thousand tria in your treasury, it wouldn't have mattered about the reserve, as you'd have been hopelessly outbid anyway.

That's basically saying we should have spent all our time grinding our metallurgy skill and mining platinum instead of roleplaying. Cause that's what most people do, apparently.

[Orgonwukh]

Organising a robbery event with about 6 players took us several days. The gain was 20 platinum ingots. So what shall we do? Make our criminal chars miners and crafters? Thank you very much. I think we got the message here.

[Pizik]

If your role play glosses over your sources of income and you use imaginary funds amongst yourselves how can you expect to gain the concrete trappings that come from it?

I think that sums the dialema up perfectly Prolix.

RPers want to stand around and RP social roles, but they never (with a few limited exceptions) seem to put value in RPing an actual occupation. I know someone will come back and say "Well, My character doesn't want to be a miner or a blacksmith!". Well tough, if the only job in your area was a street cleaner and you had to either do that job, or get kicked out of your house for non-payment of your bills, which would you choose?

Still, some of you may approach it as "I don't want to do a days work IRL then come home and work in a computer game." Well, you can try RP that you are doing your PS job while you are logged out, and that you really are quite rich. But you will also end up RPing that lovely guild house you own. If you do one, you do the other.

[Shaman]

Wow, way to encourage roleplaying, PlaneShift. Pizik, to your statement, let me say this: the only jobs available are NOT mining and crafting. However, those are the only jobs supported by mechanics. Being that real life doesn't have jobs that aren't "supported by mechanics" your argument is ENTIRELY OOC. This is a ROLEPLAYING game, and if ROLEPLAYERS can't PLAY their ROLE, then it's pretty flipping sad. All of these grinds and high costs are making the game fall right into the Runescape category.

[Lhaa]

Gugrontid Lower Village: 12 Million
Hydlaa Winch Terrace: 12 Million
North Hydlaa Terrace: 10 Million
East Hydlaa Terrace: 10 Million
Ojaveda: 8 Million

Looks like the statement "Planeshift is a role-playing game" sinks by it's own weight.
Sure, let's not only forget about roleplayers, give the guys another platinum mine. No wait, why not make the whole land be a platinum mine? Sounds good, no?
We could also make it all PvP, then forbid emotes.

There you have the game you've been looking for. ;)


If all this sounds like the post of a pissed off person then yes, you've read it properly. It is.