[OOC: Roleplay or Scam?]

[Dajoji]

I'll say it again: corruption does exist in Yliakum. However, even though you might feel very original playing the corruption card as a plot twister, sadly, you are not. Why? Because everyone does it. It's the easiest and simplest way to roleplay your interactions with the guards. Not only does it ignore the essentials I listed above but it's also very cliche. Now, this has little to do with the main topic of the thread so if you wish to discuss it further, I suggest a thread split or a new post. However, I've said all I had to say on the matter.

And just for the record, I am speaking from experience, since I often play a guard and know first hand how people RP around them. So, let me put it in bullets so it is crystal clear:

• There is corruption in Yliakum...

• ...but cases of corruption are rare and often swept under the rug

• ...So don't act like you hear about them every day.

Don't be let Mary-Sue lead your roleplay. You can do better than that. Don't make the exception become the rule when it is clearly stated that it isn't (and that applies to religion as well).

[zanzibar]

I'll say it again: corruption does exist in Yliakum. However, even though you might feel very original playing the corruption card as a plot twister, sadly, you are not. Why? Because everyone does it. It's the easiest and simplest way to roleplay your interactions with the guards. Not only does it ignore the essentials I listed above but it's also very cliche. Now, this has little to do with the main topic of the thread so if you wish to discuss it further, I suggest a thread split or a new post. However, I've said all I had to say on the matter.

And just for the record, I am speaking from experience, since I often play a guard and know first hand how people RP around them. So, let me put it in bullets so it is crystal clear:

• There is corruption in Yliakum...

• ...but cases of corruption are rare and often swept under the rug

• ...So don't act like you hear about them every day.

Don't be let Mary-Sue lead your roleplay. You can do better than that. Don't make the exception become the rule when it is clearly stated that it isn't (and that applies to religion as well).

So you agree with me that there is corruption in Yliakum? 

[Prolix]

consumers are there to encourage corruption.....

[zanzibar]

consumers are there to encourage corruption.....

What Dajoji doesn't seem to understand is that I wasn't simply injecting my personal beliefs into the discussion.  Instead, my opinion was based on in-game content such as quests.

[Mythryndel]

@Zanzibar... What you appear to not comprehend is:

A. Your statements are seriously Off-Topic in this thread
B. Your statements are irrelevant to the topic at hand based on what Dajoji has stated at least twice now.

[zanzibar]

@Zanzibar... What you appear to not comprehend is:

A. Your statements are seriously Off-Topic in this thread
B. Your statements are irrelevant to the topic at hand based on what Dajoji has stated at least twice now.

C.  There was an IC scam.  Someone asked if it was within the settings.  I answered.  Then Dajoji accused me of injecting my personal opinion into the discussion, and I countered his accusation.

[Dajoji]

Do not feel accused, I was not talking about you specfically. I went off-topic to point out the circumstances in which corruption should be RPed. Never did I deny the existence of corruption in Yliakum. I was merely pointing out that it shouldn't be your first plot choice since it does not happen in Yliakum the same way it happens IRL. My observation was not entirely related to the scam itself but the reference you made about the guards.

[zanzibar]

Do not feel accused, I was not talking about you specfically. I went off-topic to point out the circumstances in which corruption should be RPed. Never did I deny the existence of corruption in Yliakum. I was merely pointing out that it shouldn't be your first plot choice since it does not happen in Yliakum the same way it happens IRL. My observation was not entirely related to the scam itself but the reference you made about the guards.

But there are corrupt guards, and it's not just my opinion -- quests prove it.  Is it rare?  Likely.  It's also likely that it's not a black and white thing.  Even good guards might bend the rules once in a while, just like any other authority.

Which is more believable?  That a god came down and interacted with mortals, or that some guards exaggerated to make their jobs easier?

[Dajoji]

Do not feel accused, I was not talking about you specfically. I went off-topic to point out the circumstances in which corruption should be RPed. Never did I deny the existence of corruption in Yliakum. I was merely pointing out that it shouldn't be your first plot choice since it does not happen in Yliakum the same way it happens IRL. My observation was not entirely related to the scam itself but the reference you made about the guards.

But there are corrupt guards, and it's not just my opinion -- quests prove it.  Is it rare?  Likely.  It's also likely that it's not a black and white thing.  Even good guards might bend the rules once in a while, just like any other authority.

Which is more believable?  That a god came down and interacted with mortals, or that some guards exaggerated to make their jobs easier?

You tell me, it's a world where Gods do show up and there's no right answer to your question so that line of discussion is probably pointless.

[zanzibar]

I have a hard time thinking of it as so black and white, but it is a fantasy setting so I guess anything is possible.

[Farren Kutter]

Zanzibar, shush! i thought you were trying to stop your trolly arguing for the sake of arguing?

Dajoji is saying that YES there are corrupt guards. But it is very RARE. A character's first conclusions (or even second, third, etc.) should not lead to corruption among guards, because that'd sort of be like suggesting that Superman was streaking stark naked through Metropolis killing innocent people, laughing hysterically, and beating up Lois Lane. Sure, it's a very vague possibility, but if you suggested it people'd say you were mad. Dajoji is merely stating not to let real world 'realities' to influence your RP of Yliakum's realities. You must remember, the Octarchy is backed by the gods/goddesses. It's very likely they can find most 'corruption' almost immediately and stamp it out. Outside of the towns and cities is a different story obviously, but the Octarchy has made it clear that the wilderness is not their responsibility and that people are on their own out there.

[Parallo]

If someone in a roleplaying game brought up the fact that they had seen Superman doing what you had said in an OOC context and it had happened in an IC context, I would expect to hear about why it had happened.