Lets make a better game "Together", stop the RP versus powerlevel devide.

[Zontick]

Zontick, you have to "point 6", + a reference to it inside one of them.

That was done on purpose due to the recursion implicit in the "I'm RPing a jerk" defense.

[Zontick]

just a couple of points to reply to
As a player I am a Roleplayer and much to a lot of peoples disgust I didn't choose to spend my valuable game time levelling (had done that with my first char back when CB first came out) so the first few points are of little relevence to me, but live n let live I say.

Unfortunately, I wasn't talking specifically about you. In fact, you'll forgive me if I admit I don't know who you are. From your response below, you're a GM.

Point 5. actually most GM's get pwned despite having high stats, especially by experienced duellers, our only advantage is we dont have to run back from DR

You've just reinforced my powerleveling point, whether you agree or not. Thank you.

Point 9. Talad not replying, well thats a bit like expecting a personal reply from Bill Gates or Mike Morhaime, he is a very busy person in rl as well as with PlaneShift

I don't care if Talad responds or not, and I don't think I would compare him to the people you mentioned. I've volunteered on enough things in the past to know that I will only do it on terms I find acceptable in the future. The same would apply to Bill Gates (who I wouldn't volunteer to work with), Linus Torvalds (if I really want to work on that sort of low level code again) or Barack Obama. I'm fairly certain that Talad doesn't wear his clothing in any way that varies too greatly from anyone else on the planet.

As for the rest - well, consider this: You presented a GM perspective. I presented a player perspective. Neither of us can give both perspectives (unless you have Planck's Constant in your pocket). I appreciate your GM perspective. I ask that you appreciate a constructive user perspective. Fair?

[Mythryndel]

I think people are making a GIANT assumption here and putting words in the devs mouths... who said PS isn't progressing exactly the way the devs intended? Everything I have read says that they have goals for each release... and that they aren't worried about it being "finished" in any particular time frame. I think a handful of people have really gotten attached to the game and started attaching ownership to it simply because they have played it for so long.

Seriously people... this is just a game. I think that the current 2 server configuration will be good for all in the long run. I've been caught in the middle of the PL vs RP debate for far too long... I am neither... I play mechanics... and I interact with people... but both extremes fighting all the time wears me out. I'm just gonna go have some fun for a while... and maybe things will settle down over the next few weeks...

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Things are out of balance?

Welcome to the alpha phase of planeshift.

Yes we know it's an alpha. But that isn't really a defense when you're discussing player roleplay vs. powerleveling - when the infrastructure doesn't support the wishes of the developers. My take is that sure, players may be a problem - but players have excuses.

So, I'd like to welcome you to the alpha phase of PlaneShift, Xillix.

Touche.

I know I am pulling a zanzibar here but . . .

Zontick,

You seem like a relatively articulate person with somewhat of a faculty for reasoning so I will tell you this out of kindness.

It is not customary to use "touche" to your own arguments.

Typically one's opponent in a discussion will say touche when they feel their counterpart has parried their comments well.

I yield no such ground sir.

I expect you will go back and edit your series of posts in this thread instead of triple posting and consult the forum rules before making this error again.

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Zontick,

Your attempts to reach Talad will fall on deaf ears, he is inundated with requests from the gms, devs, and testers.

If there is something you want to say you are welcome to pm me.

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As to Garile,

We will continue to call it an alpha until we decide it isn't an alpha, however long that takes.

It is no excuse. We don't have time to address concerns of balance right now, and nothing will change that except more volunteers.

Please dear community, don't return to the "you owe us" line of argument.

[zanzibar]

I know I am pulling a Xillix here but . . .

Read the rules on posting, or accept the ban when it comes to you.  Your choice, luv.  (To no one in particular.  Also, get a sense of humor or I'll ban you.)

[Waylander]

Alpha phase isn't an excuse, it's a fact.  Alpha phase typically lasts (everybody seems to have different definitions) until all features have been worked on, that's quite obviously not the case.  Most games are in Alpha for years (or pre-alpha if they have it) and they are commercial games.  To use an example, go watch the battlecast for Starcraft 2, they're calling that Alpha still and look how close to the full game it is.  Beta is typically reserved for major balancing and fleshing out of features.

It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of where the game is in development.

And yes, RP-PL is a divide that will last.  We could try adding an RP tab to the chat box and maybe that would help, who knows but, when that was suggested it was met with cries of "That would encourage OOCness", if I remember correctly.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

I am doing my part to stop the rp vs powerlevel divide right now.