[When do you speak OOC?]

[Thoss]

*shrugs*  I am in-game nearly everyday for at least a bit, and from my viewpoint, the brackets aren't all that bad all in all.

A comment here and there is fine to me...even if in the middle of an RP.  Most people I RolePlay with, that pretty much RP all the time, will drop a bracket joke occasionally.   Kind of depends on how random the [comment] is as to whether or not it is disruptive.  But if we know each other, it's not all that big of a deal.

Policing everyone?...probably wouldn't lead to much good...saying to heck with it all and changing all quest text to netspeak?...probably not good either.

respect others you don't know, get to know the ones you do...and walk the line.

kind of like cussing, for a simple example.......I do it amongst friends, but not around those who would rather I not. i.e work/family, etc.  Not a biggie.

[zanzibar]

So why don't they use it more often??

I'm sure Calak would LOOVE that next time he swordfights in the tavern, hehe

People would complain if they were sent to jail for breaking the law.  It would be cool if they started using it though.

Yes, but which is more important, the majority of players who do it, or the two or three players who have posted their disdain for it?

One word: Extremism.

If you look at mmos as religion, with WoW being monotonic old atheism, and PS being a religion like Islam or Christianity, you'll find there are different grades of rules within the community itself.

Extremism is when you dismiss roleplayers who want to see more roleplay happen in a roleplay game.

[Bamko]

ok, regarding not blaming newbs.

Do you really not know the difference between a N00B and a newbie?  I have done a lot to help newbs in PS, including the Bureau.  Sure, many have done more... but shesh!

http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/anything-goes/34237-newb-vs-noob-friendly-reminder-differences-connotations.html

Read that link, then re-read my post about determining if a newb or a noob.  Newbs are to be welcomed and helped, IMO, Noobs... not so much.  You can't fix them, they are trolls, griefers, etc.

Also, PS serves a niche market of people who really like to RP... so arguments discussing how some games are more relaxed are irrevelant.  The Leaders have made it clear they support RP, and they are not trying to make a 1337-speak clone of WoW.  So us talking about whther it should be allowed is like trekies arguing about whether spock's mind meld could be defeated by being drunk.  Sure, maybe a fun convo, but not going to change anything.  Fact is, PS crew has bent over backwards to placate those who think their OOC comments are just SOOooo clever they must be shared with everyone.  Go into IRC, general discussion forum, or ezpc or some other game if you want to try out your amatuer standup routine.  When I am in PS, I want to RP (at least on fragnetics).  The rules are there.  Sooner or later they will enforce them, I hope.

Got a funny comment about how the spartans didnt seem to have their head in it during the first couple minutes of the game, and then paniced, /tell someone... or even make a website and see if anyone comes, but to bracet it in main is just silly and pointless (and I am a spartan fan... so please, noflaming about how they rock... or dont.)

If you come into the game just to be disruptive, you should be banned, IMO.  I think one needs to be talked to several times, to make that clear.. but eventually one stops being a newb and shows themselves to be the N00B many of us suspected they were.

Of course, the desicion will be made by those actually in power.  But if you want to OOC chat in main, head over to ezpcusa, or some other free to play game.

Besides, it is not like it is hard to stay IC... Dont want to stay IC?  then why are you on fragnetics?

Seriously, Answer that.  If you don't want to stay IC... Why do you insist you have a right to disrupt it for others.  Not like there are not enough OOC games out there already.

And to say I dont like newbs is so patently bogus as to be ludicrious.  I even made the Bureau so I could help newbs (tourists I call them on site) while TRYING to stay IC ingame as much as possible.  I loved helping people on the IG parts of "how to mine" for example, but disliked re-typing the pswiki or other info, over and over, OOC.. so I bought the site and set it up.

[Kangold D]

...Extremism is when you dismiss roleplayers who want to see more roleplay happen in a roleplay game...

  QFT

If PlaneShift had the a reputation of being hostile to OOC abuses a flood of hardcore role-players would set up camp in the game and a golden age of RP would begin, honey and milk would flow, the sky would rain platinum ingots, and 500/500 10.5 Damage swords would grow on trees. 

Then suddenly the alarm clock would sound and it would be 6:00 AM and time to get up for work. 

[Ralleyon]

All of a sudden, the idea of having an OOC chat tab and IC chat tab doesn't sound so bad to me anymore.

[Thoss]

*reading Bamkos posts, from my newbies perspective and to offer a little defense in response to 'shame' post*

Bamko, I appreciate your efforts and the Visitors Bureau!

Also, I'm not sure where the whole 'shame on you bit came from'....your original post explicitly states that in your opinion, OOC brackets are unexceptable, UNLESS it is coming from a newb. i.e.  it's ok if newbs do it, because, well,  they are new....

nowhere do I read you saying all the OOC problems are the newb's fault....

Or at least that is how I read it.

I agree.  We even had the Rp covenant.  Bracketed OOC chat in main was, as I understand it, for very few things.  Helping  newb who has not found the /tell tab, or multiple newbs who do not knwo yet how to use the group function, for example.


...Sure, if a newb needs help, then a little OOC is acceptable, IMO,

Oh, and I DO Ignore the brackted text in main tab, meaning I do not reply to it unless it is a newb, I wont even respond to it.  How about a wish request?  "To have an option setting to not show bracketed text in the main tab, at all?  Just so most of us could ignore the chatter without having to have it intrude on our RP?"

Trouble is, then Newbs would be harder to help, esp if someone "helps" them by telling them to turn it on (off?) or if it is off in default...

Or, people could follow the covenant and just keep it to a minimum. 

oh well.  My 2 tria.

[edit]

All of a sudden, the idea of having an OOC chat tab and IC chat tab doesn't sound so bad to me anymore.

perhaps, it's still floating around my head as a potential.

...we didn't discuss that much before the usual derailments.....

would it increase OOC as Kangold D thinks it might?

[Bguy]

Do you want a global chat tab?

would a chat tab titled 'rp' parked right next to the 'main' chat tab be feasible or desired?

starting to sound kind of handy while i'm sitting here thinking about it....

then, any OOC or bracketed talk could shift to 'main' and one could put the smack down on any OOC/brackets in the 'rp' tab...

or would that open up the ol' can-o-worms?

I don't think that is a good idea. I didn't try to be a good role-player untill I was forced to be one. I think it should be made stricter as in no ooc except for emergencies or when you don't know better. The madatory rule makes more people participate, making it more interesting. I don't see any reason why ooc is ever needed in the main tab, when there are 1-4 other tabs (1-4, because tell, group, and guild chat can be kept ic) for that purpose.

[Thoss]

* Thoss scratches his head

yeah, it does make me wonder how much of a need there is to create another option to try and smooth things out.

We have 4 chat tabs as stated, a RP covenant, and a complete other server in ezpcusa, for relaxed carefree gameplay...

Auslorrod had fun watching his brackets burn in furnace at Harn's over the weekend.

problem still is that no one plays over there....be cool if there was a way to teleport someone from fragnetics straight to ezpcusa for using too much OOC brackets!

[zanzibar]

All of a sudden, the idea of having an OOC chat tab and IC chat tab doesn't sound so bad to me anymore.

Since people tend to enjoy a mix of OOC and IC interactions, it seems the best way to do it without splitting the community across separate servers.

* Thoss scratches his head

yeah, it does make me wonder how much of a need there is to create another option to try and smooth things out.

We have 4 chat tabs as stated, a RP covenant, and a complete other server in ezpcusa, for relaxed carefree gameplay...

Auslorrod had fun watching his brackets burn in furnace at Harn's over the weekend.

problem still is that no one plays over there....be cool if there was a way to teleport someone from fragnetics straight to ezpcusa for using too much OOC brackets!

The problem is that people don't follow the rules on OOC chatter, even though we have so many rules and guides on the matter.  So more rules and more guides won't fix the problem.

[Thoss]

The problem is that people don't follow the rules on OOC chatter, even though we have so many rules and guides on the matter.  So more rules and more guides won't fix the problem.

there is always that aspect....

wonder if the ic/rp tab along side main tab is a poll worthy topic?

[zanzibar]

The problem is that people don't follow the rules on OOC chatter, even though we have so many rules and guides on the matter.  So more rules and more guides won't fix the problem.

there is always that aspect....

wonder if the ic/rp tab along side main tab is a poll worthy topic?

The IC/RP tab is the main tab.  What we're talking about is a new OOC tab along side the main tab. 



(don't hit me!)

[Vengeance]

It seems to me what RPers are looking for is the simultaneous ability to have a very low bar on what offends them and at the same time, the freedom from ever being offended.  And it's starting to get ridiculous.  We have chat filters, cuss word filters, flooding filters, ignore lists, in-game moderators, muting, kicks, bans, quests to teach people RPing, rules about []'s.  And it isn't enough to keep a small but very vocal minority from being offended and/or distracted.

Frankly it disgusts me.

If we didn't have the EZPC alternative I would probably quit, because I am not working on this project every free waking moment of my life to please these sorts of people.  If you're one of them, I suggest you look in a freaken mirror and evaluate what you have become.

[zanzibar]

It seems to me what RPers are looking for is the simultaneous ability to have a very low bar on what offends them and at the same time, the freedom from ever being offended.

I think RPers want an environment conductive to roleplay.  Chat filters can't filter OOC text.  Ignore lists aren't a workable solution because people tend to say a mix of OOC and IC things, and people are fine with OOC chat as long as it's delivered in an appropriate manner.

Besides, it's an issue of things being disruptive, not offensive.

If we didn't have the EZPC alternative I would probably quit, because I am not working on this project every free waking moment of my life to please these sorts of people.  If you're one of them, I suggest you look in a freaken mirror and evaluate what you have become.

Because you feel so passionate about this I'm curious to hear more about why you feel the way you do.  Frankly, I don't understand your reaction.  It seems people are just asking for a new chat tab so that OOC and IC chatter can stay separate.  Personally, I see it as people working together to find ways they can get along.  Isn't that a good thing?  Doesn't it mean that this project has promise and potential since it has such a caring, creative community surrounding it?

[Vengeance]

Talad doesn't want a separate OOC tab.

[zanzibar]

Talad doesn't want a separate OOC tab.

What is his preferred solution?