A Short Letter

[verden]

Yeah, noobs just "zoom" right through the tutorial. LOL

[Garris Shrike]

Noob zooming's a true story, it's what I did 

[Elvicat]

i cheked it way after i got ingame but it took awhile

[Lokter Tarvitz]

Ahhh....

Seems the community has gotten even worse in my absence... so many guilds gone, so many RP'ers and friends... so many new people who i dont know... 

I guess we are going to have to rebuild it. I agree with Garris on teaching the new players, but tbh it doesnt matter how much we are wiling to teach... but how much they are willing to learn.

[verden]

So there was the tutorial when you first joined, Garris? In any case: The exception proves the rule. Nobody is zooming through that tutorial who is new to it.

[Garris Shrike]

When I first joined I'm not sure if they'd even had the idea of putting in that tutorial 
I just recently created a new client just to see if the tutorial was useful. If you pay attention, it surely is. What I don't understand is how alot of people don't -apply- it.

[Okim]

Their too use to the World of Warcraft way of doing things, you know, go off and grind than sell your wares so you can have the best gear and own the newbs?  For a lot of people, that's what they want, and are really more interested in that than actual roleplaying.  They just want the best sword and run quests yo buff up their stats.

There isn't much you can do if that is what the player really wants.

[Oomi]

Oh dear. I just had a naughty thought. An experienced player with some tria to spare and a community-oriented mindset could always stock up on a few decent quality weapons, look for a newb in need & start chatting with him/her/kra. Newb will most likely be looking for a quick way to score gear & loot, which is neither unusual nor necessarily bad (they may simply have never played a game where player interaction beyond grouping to kill mobs is such a big part of the gaming experience). Player acts confused if slang language is used, blaming it humbly on his own misunderstanding of the newbs "dialect". Player makes it clear that if the newb can overcome his "dialect" well enough so that the player can understand newb's request for aid, then player will spot newb a nice weapon to get started. If newb plays along exceptionally well, perhaps an offer of an introduction to the sewers would be in order. I admit that it's a bit of bribery, but it could result in some good new players & potentially long-lasting friendships. Just a thought.

[Bakin_Fundinson]

Oomi, that's a splendid idea! 
Possibly, the inexperienced player will just say "Gr8t! thx" 
But it's just as possible that some of the RP will rub off, and we'll convert a grinder to RP 
*Bakin starts to stock up on Battle Axes*

[Lokter Tarvitz]

Oomi.. nice idea. I already have an "aprentice" I got him some Sabres and some armour. In return i asked that he learnt to Roleplay with me and my friends. Its going well. He has had an introduction to Roleplay and a tour of the areas surrounding Hydlaa. With a little help he managed to mkae his own way to Oja and Gug within 2 days of starting to play. Now he has got the basics of Roleplay out the way I am beggining to help him develop his characters look and personality, on th sidelines we have taught him more about levling in the game, the sort of skills he will need and gave him a quick intro to Duelling just incase.


If every Roleplayer could do something similiar then the community can be saved.

[Dalgin Xawanda]

This is very interesting, because a similar thing happened to me.  A new player approached me looking for some mushrooms, and I ended up selling him some swords and leading him to the leather dealer.  After that, we buddied each other.  From what I gather, he's not much of a RPer, but I can understand.  I think I'll try to look out for him, and try to pass on some RPing in exchange.

Perhaps we could get a large group of RPers to do this, with a petition or something.  Or even pitch this idea to the Game masters...

(P.S. Am I being hypocritical if I use smileys?    I guess I'd be pretty embarrassed.     I might even look stupid.   )

[zoran]

When I hear old players complain about the "community" going to hell I wonder if they just got too comfortable with a particular group of players/friends. Of course it's easier to RP if there is already an established connection between your character's history and goals and the other player's.

Perhaps it's time to come off the high horse and realize that the issue is not that the new players have no skill in RP compared to the old, but that they have little knowledge of settings, no established character concept and few or no friends among the player base. That's obviously very little to go on in terms of RP.

I just don't think it's good sense to foster OOC reasons to train new players to RP. Kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?

[zanzibar]

Communities change.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Vespers even ran a guild placement service for our biggest contributors so the biggest donors got referrals from the vespers for new players who'd undergone training already

[zanzibar]

Vespers even ran a guild placement service for our biggest contributors so the biggest donors got referrals from the vespers for new players who'd undergone training already

Hmm.  I just sent players to whichever guild I thought they'd do well in.