Disruption Poll

[Aiwendil]

Okay, since you asked...a short list of what just comes to my mind there.

• OOC talking in main chat or auction without any brackets, no matter if at the platinum mines, Kada El's or anywhere else. We have tells, guildchat and groups for such conversations. Nothing wrong with some casual OOC comments in brackets in main, but without brackets it's just annoying. And OOC talking includes for me the mentioning of weapon quality, skills modifications of weapons or everything about the player not the character.
• Using Guildchat or tells to call for OOC help. We have /shout to get the attention of people near, but calling guild mates from distant maps is just stupid. Soon you are surrounded by a whole guild who make any RP impossible, just because of a small problem you had with one of them.
• People playing versions of themselves in game. This usually only leads to upset players because of actions of other characters against their own character, followed by long OOC arguments. The problem with this is that it's hard to notice sometimes. I don't really think any player wants any harm to another player OOCly and it's not nice to be accused of this just because ones character tried to mug another. Or if others assume the views of a character are the same as of the player.
• Creating guilds without any IC purpose or even violating the settings.
• People who ignore the settings. There are no dragons...no matter how much I would like it.
• People who ignore the surroundings, like NPCs or water for example. No guard would just watch if you mug someone right in front of him/her.
• Duels just for fun without any intention to play out the consequences. Such things can be done in the appropriate areas like the wildness or the arena, but for sure it should not be done within a city or a frequently populated places like the mines.
• Using OOC information in game with a character. Sure, it's simple to say in which guild Aiwendil is. Just look at my signature. But this shouldn't have any influence on how a character deals with Aiwendil. In general I would say that it is annoying to deal with people who can't see a difference between IC and OOC.
• People who think game mechanics are the only thing that makes a good game. It will never be possible to include every action one could do in the game mechanics. And telling people they can't RP a bow or being a tailor because the game mechanics doesn't allow it is disruptive.
• Creation of alts just to mess up with other characters and then abandoning those alts before they have to face any consequences. Or the switching of alts just because another character of a player would fit much better in the situation than the played currently char.
• Characters who got killed in a RP and show up at the "crime"-scene after a 5 minute trip again while the other players around still roleplay the incident. I don't want to start a discussion if the DR is too short or for how long characters should stay there. But people should at least have enough tactfulness to understand that showing up 5 minutes after getting killed at the same place is disturbing for those player who witnessed the incident and are still there.
• People who demand others to entertain them. Sure, it's a game and everyone should have fun. But not everyone has always the time to play with someone. Most characters are involved in some RP plots and it's necessary sometimes to go one with another plot. And getting complains about not doing ones usual business (for example selling crafted weapons) can be a bit annoying.
• Godmodding. Seeing the signature of someone in the forum and then using it in game by saying ones character is a master in lah'ar. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with using skills that are not implemented yet. But please play it out in game and don't use them as reasons to use OOC information. Or playing chars who are master in everything. Or forcing actions on others...every player can only decide what his character does, not the success, influence, reactions on others.
• Bashing of other because they don't speak English fluently.

[Illysia]

Goodness Aiwendil.... Your short is a bit long.   

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Definitely interested in what people who think the server is too strictly moderated think also.

It is the rp server after all.

[Timmothy Perriwinkle]

For the moment, I don't particularly care about all the default things that come to mind, weapons drawn, obnoxious ppls lol'ing, etc.

The problem I often have with the RP server is far less with the newer characters that don't know wtf they're doing. I can tolerate them, they amuse me OOCly and I've no problem giving them a helpful tidbit of advice. The problem I have with the RP server is the so-called "RPers" not all, certainly not, but the ones who've been around a while, the ones who know settings, and the ones who break them.

For example in the recent magic thread I brought up, UtM explained how performing made up spells by the player was in fact breaking settings. But it seems whenever I go in and around the tavern, I get someone using necromancy to animate the monster they made out of ice (from thin air, mind) then the necromanced ice-monster uses Azure Way to blow me around a bit and kick my arse, followed by summoning up dragons of flame that consume me and I die. The fact that this is considered 'acceptable' by the majority it seems is what the problem is here. Because then the one spoilsport (me) would be disrupting their RP by reporting the behaviour.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Excessive extra-mechanical rp defined by most as god modding can be considered disruptive and violates rules against fighting within city limits also.

Remember I still haven't seen the results so... Keep voting, get your friends to, make your voice heard.

[Thoss]

I voted not moderated enough.

using brackets for minor main OOC, and then using /group or /tell for OOC chatter is not a complicated concept. It's easy. If your new and don't know better, fine, but one should easily be able to learn quickly....like within the first or second time in-game.

To me, it feels one has to conciously choose not to use use brackets for limited main OOC, and /tell /group /guild for all the rest of OOC.....which quickly falls into blatant disregard if one chooses often enough.

In-game GM presence with an active IC guard would be nice.......but GMs are limited and busy. perhaps instead of dumping everything on GameMasters...there could be some type of voluntary...monitored...GameModerators. With zero tolerance for abuse. Perhaps complaints could be initially handled by a panel of GameModerators, and if a resolution can't be reached...then things could move up to GameMasters for a final decision...?

[Candy]

I voted not enough moderation. Aiwendil's post pretty much covers the things that irk me (and then some XD).

[khoridor]

Different types of problems need different responses:
- Breaking the law; that should be punished, and theoretically could be done through mechanics (saving GMs time). No player punishment here, only character punishment.
- Breaking the rules of the game (disrupting); that does need to be addressed by GMs, as a priority, and punishment may be applied if disrupting is clearly intended.
- Lousy RP. Well, I won't report someone because he used my name before we met, or because he says things like Q254. That's no crime, and certainly not worth wasting the time of a GM.
- Conflicts of styles (as in Illysia's examples) are the ones that should constitute the most interesting, and difficult, part of GM arbitration.

About the poll, I'm no GM and have no clue about what they actually do. If there is a lot of disruption going on, then it looks like there isn't enough moderation; yet, if the GMs manage to deal with every /report they receive, there isn't much more to expect. When the game will work fine, I'm sure they'll have time and fun arbitrating dilemmas, but in the mean time, they can't police everything. Players have to be patient; they have to expect loopholes, inconsistencies, and deal with them themselves as much as possible. Sorry Aiwendil, but a lot of things in your tiny list are not GM material. Well, I'm going to vote "strict enough" then, because the moderation is probably adapted to the demand (including extra efforts when the level of complain rises).

One more thing: how about a thread dedicated to reporting disruption? No complains, just facts, so it can be used as a disruptometre. I do mean general disruption, or lawlessness, not private arguments and RP conflicts. Just the place and GMT time, no names, and a short line like "6 guys fighting with weapons and spells", or "a kran running in circles while shouting loooool". Maybe GMs would have a use for it.

[Garile]

I voted not strict enough. Not becuase i think the rules aren't clear enough but I do feel like we still run into things that require a guard and at some times there are way to many people talking OOCly in main. I mean a few comments shouldn't be a ban but a group of people near Harnquist having a whole conversation about OOC stuff is just annoying.

I have read Aiwendils list and agee with most of it, but if the GMs should step in at all of them on a regular basis I'm not sure. Using OOC stuff ICly for example is sometimes a fine line. Was a voice muffled enough not to be recognizable? Did the disguise really disguise everything? If you aren't carefull both players who disagree will report the other for godmodding.

The first one becuase the other is rolepllaying the perfect disguise that is impossible to see through eventhough his description has holes. The second one becuase the other is using OOC glasses to recognize someone who used a perfectly good disguise.

[PhoenixRizin]

I think there needs to be a way to report to the guards IC so that even when there is no GM to play them at the moment, when a GM does get on they can investigate and deal with certain activities (ie people who chronically wield they weapons in public). and staying on that topic, i think weapons in front of harnquists are fine, as smiths may want to show other smiths their work IC. however, if someone attacks another there, then they should be arrested. and duels without a reason other than just 2 characters who love combat should only take place in the wild or in the arena. it should be assumed that fights inside city walls (primarily hydlaa's) are from arguments. in Ojaveda, i like there being a little lawlessness, as it creates a different atmosphere, kinda like a wild west sort of theme, so i'd expect more people policing themselves there IC.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

That last is a good idea imo, we'll look into it.

[Vannaka]

#1 thing that irks me...

Prejudging character's or players based on their guild choices and other OOC info.  I can't tell you how many times "good RPers" have refused to roleplay with me because Vannaka was a member of the prophets of chaos for a while.  It's funny, but the exact same people are more than happy to roleplay with alts of mine.

I also voted not strict enough, however I feel the need to point out that this poll will never get good results.  There is a big difference between the forum population and the game population... I think if this poll were taken by everyone online at some time the results would be a lot more even.

[Skrein]

#1 thing that irks me...

Prejudging character's or players based on their guild choices and other OOC info.  I can't tell you how many times "good RPers" have refused to roleplay with me because Vannaka was a member of the prophets of chaos for a while.  It's funny, but the exact same people are more than happy to roleplay with alts of mine.

I also voted not strict enough, however I feel the need to point out that this poll will never get good results.  There is a big difference between the forum population and the game population... I think if this poll were taken by everyone online at some time the results would be a lot more even.

Vannaka, it wasn't just your guild... I've RPed with you before, and I've heard plenty of complaints about you before. Their decisions were justified.

[Vannaka]

Vannaka, it wasn't just your guild... I've RPed with you before, and I've heard plenty of complaints about you before. Their decisions were justified.

I think you're mistaken.  If you have roleplayed with me before (I don't know who your characters are, so am not sure) then you never said anything to me about how I roleplay.  You also may have roleplayed with a Vannaka clone, seeing as some players were kind enough to make alts with very similar names, and run around acting like idiots.  In an effort to disagree without starting a flame war... could you PM what it is that I've done that you don't think would be considered "good" roleplay?

I think most who have actually taken the time to play with me would agree that I do roleplay, and do a good job of it.  I've even had a peek inside that little circle of "elite" roleplayers, when helping out Garris with roleplays using some of my alts.
Disclaimer: No I don't actually believe there are "elite roleplayers," I only believe some people think of themselves in this way.

[Duraza]

Edit: Oh, nevermind