IRC

[Waylander]

The new IRC rules beg the question.  "What counts as swearing?"

For instance there are words that could be considered swearing all over the forums (Such as "bastard" and "damn") but they go unmoderated.  Will these be moderated in the IRC channel and why?

Also, do you believe it's best to warn by kicking and not being friendly about it.  I imagine a simple "Don't use that kind of language" would deliver a better message than an out right kick.  Operator actions have a large affect on the general atmosphere of the channel and kicking like that will generate a very poor atmosphere, I believe.

As the Freenode Channel Guidelines say:

Use channel operator privileges sparingly. Each time you use them you raise the channel temperature. Users will be pleased with you, angry at you, frustrated that you used them inappropriately, envious that you have control over the discussion. None of these reactions may be conscious on the part of other users, but all of them increase the channel temperature.

They also mention something about not always holding onto ops but, I doubt that will change.

Opinions?  Answers?

[Wavan Levironk]

I would start changing the kick as a warning. Doesn't sound friendly at all.

And then again, if a rule is broken, it's broken for everyone, a guy even a troll even if he's one of the favs is under the same laws.

[Xordan]

Imo only one rule is needed;

1) Channel Op is always right.

[Waylander]

I would start changing the kick as a warning. Doesn't sound friendly at all.

And then again, if a rule is broken, it's broken for everyone, a guy even a troll even if he's one of the favs is under the same laws.

I assume you mean that a troll should be treated the same way as an older member for the same actions.  I agree with that completely though as does everybody I assume.

Imo only one rule is needed;

1) Channel Op is always right.

Nice to have input on somebody who hasn't graced #ps in months   But no, with a community this large I doubt that simple rule will work.

[Morla Phlint]

I must agree with Waylander. I don't hang around much on #planeshift anymore but reading logs from there a few times, I was surprised to see this kick-moderation  . It's certainly an offhand way to handle things and imo conveys rather the message "you are not worth reasoning with" than "please, mind your language".

I want to second that:

Use channel operator privileges sparingly.

[kaerli2]

Freenode, frankly, is dead on here.  In all my time holding some sort of chan-op privleges, I have rarely needed to kick someone.  And no, the chanop is not always right: that's why Freenode has staff.

If this continues, I will have to bring this to the attention of a Freenode staff member.

[Timmothy Perriwinkle]

Ahahahahaha. Is it wrong that this is so completely hilarious. And I mean you whining lot.

Especially you kaerli2. With your threats to contact staff. Man, you guys need to use IRC--nay, the internet--more.

And when I say IRC, I mean you need to use a decent IRC network. Aka, not Freenode.

[Waylander]

Nobody seems to be whining Timmeh, just expressing views.  If you want to call that whining go ahead but, unless you're going to add to the topic in an at least mock mature way, get out   Most threads like this get turned into heated debates which fall into a certain "You're disagreeing with the devs so you must be trying to destroy everything" template (something I've been on both sides of much too often).  I'm hoping this won't be the case.

So Timmeh:
Do you think a kick should be used as a warning?
What do you think constitutes as swearing?
Should devs always be opped?

Or are you here just to disturb the topic and not to contribute to it?

[Illysia]

Since no one has bothered to comment on it, I will... Yes, those words should be moderated.... I am tired of hearing the same words overused everywhere I go.  I admit, I'm a little traditional, but really... you shouldn't curse all the time. Some people need to pay attention to basic rules of English. At best, curse words, like any number of other words, should be used to emphasis a point not to punctuate every sentence... Now true, it is not usually that bad in #planeshift, in fact most of the time it isn't, but really people would it kill you to refrain from cursing? And for the smart alec that will invariably say yes: Get rehab. 

Now on the "how to moderated it" side of the discussion, I think there should be a warning then a kick if it is ignored. If you have a problem with how the channel ops moderate find somewhere else to hang out. Also, for the record, not everything is a democracy. Be glad you get any say at all what the Chan ops do.  I personally have never had a problem in #planeshift, and I have spent waaay too much time there.  But, if everyone behaves then all should be good. Just think "How would I act if my grandma could read what I was saying?" before you say something and you should be fine.  And for the smart alec that will invariably have some wisecrack about the grandma part: I know you know what I mean...  I know because you're mocking me. 

[Oomi]

The #planeshift channel on freenode is intended to be a safe, friendly atmosphere for players of ALL ages to join and learn about the game. That means that the channel does not not welcome cursing, because this channel should not be a place where a child is introduced to words that lead to concepts which they may not be ready to process. It's quite easy to get a point across in #PS without using any sort of profanity, it's just not as "fun" or "edgy" for some folks. I don't see any reason to promote someone's "edginess" at the expense of some poor shocked kid.

Also, mods are aware of who is prone to cursing/using explicit language, and they take this into account the next time the person does it. The curse-counter does not reset just because you log off and back on again.

Consider this thread locked because explaining the obvious gets wearying.

[Mordraugion]

Sorry Oomi but some clarification on a couple of misinformation points

If this continues, I will have to bring this to the attention of a Freenode staff member.

Freenode staff will not get involved in internal channel moderation decisions.

As the Freenode Channel Guidelines say:

Use channel operator privileges sparingly. Each time you use them you raise the channel temperature. Users will be pleased with you, angry at you, frustrated that you used them inappropriately, envious that you have control over the discussion. None of these reactions may be conscious on the part of other users, but all of them increase the channel temperature.

They also mention something about not always holding onto ops but, I doubt that will change.

My emphasis added the Guidelines are exactly that, guidelines, Freenode allows you to moderate your channel as the Ops see fit with the principle, if you dont like the channel rules don't enter the channel.