The state of roleplaying in PS (aka, something you won't ever admit)

[Illysia]

No proposal in this forum will go without derailing and flaming... it is the nature of this forum and that should be quite obvious. Most of the people flaming my threads don't take as much offense at what I proposed but the fact that I spoke up. I don't think it's fair that having the nerve to try and bring the community together despite people flaming me is being held against me. Did you read what I said or just the what the flamers said? "Just get out there and RP" is not much of a proposal I however have had detailed proposals and it doesn't just promote one style but if you only read the flamers then I suppose there is no reason to know that.

[RlyDontKnow]

No proposal in this forum will go without derailing and flaming... it is the nature of this forum and that should be quite obvious. Most of the people flaming my threads don't take as much offense at what I proposed but the fact that I spoke up. I don't think it's fair that having the nerve to try and bring the community together despite people flaming me is being held against me.

it's not held against you, but if I may make a suggestion: once you got something ellaborate put together that was discussed properly, make a nice summary of the outcome outlining in detail what should be done and why.
I think this is a good example of how such a summary can look like. something like that is really helpful after all and is taken into account.

Did you read what I said or just the what the flamers said? "Just get out there and RP" is not much of a proposal I however have had detailed proposals and it doesn't just promote one style but if you only read the flamers then I suppose there is no reason to know that.

to be honest: after a maximum of 3 sites flaming I stop reading. I know this isn't really good, but I just can't stand pages of pointless flame wars.
it's kinda like reading a book. it can be very good, but if it starts being good after 200 pages and is just plain annoying before, it will probably not be read to the end

[Illysia]

So, tell me... if I get flamed every time I say something just because yet another person misunderstood because they look at me through the "hateful oldbie" lens, how does anything get discussed properly? I've tried every way possible and still somebody like Xoel comes through and misunderstands and it goes from there. I've even told players too keep the issues out of the threads and PM me too keep the threads clean. What else is there to be done?

[Rigwyn]

@Rly - Funny, I don't see any comments from anyone on the PS team on that thread acknowledging the value of his contribution. Not even a simple, "thanks for your feedback" or a "cool, we'll take a look at this", or "noted". Nada. Zip. The game remained in the same unbalanced state for quite some time after that too.  If that was me, I would assume from the lack of response that the message was ignored or tossed aside.

What impression do you suppose that leaves other members who read this thread? Does it encourage them to do the same and submit useful feedback? Why would someone put in that much effort if they thought that it would go to waste?

The problem is not that PS does not have a neatly typed document detailing the rp related problems and suggestions of fixing it. The problem is that nobody really cares.

[RlyDontKnow]

@Rly - Funny, I don't see any comments from anyone on the PS team on that thread acknowledging the value of his contribution. Not even a simple, "thanks for your feedback" or a "cool, we'll take a look at this", or "noted". Nada. Zip. The game remained in the same unbalanced state for quite some time after that too.  If that was me, I would assume from the lack of response that the message was ignored or tossed aside.

it was posted on the bugtracker (PS#2956) afterwards and was used as a basis for the magic rebalancing done by jorrit
also it's still taken into account for further balancing

edit: sorry, yeah, was indeed the wrong one :x

[Rigwyn]

You sure thats the right bug tracker link?
That one was made 15 months later and says nothing about Org or his report.

[Xoel]

No proposal in this forum will go without derailing and flaming... it is the nature of this forum and that should be quite obvious. Most of the people flaming my threads don't take as much offense at what I proposed but the fact that I spoke up. I don't think it's fair that having the nerve to try and bring the community together despite people flaming me is being held against me. Did you read what I said or just the what the flamers said? "Just get out there and RP" is not much of a proposal I however have had detailed proposals and it doesn't just promote one style but if you only read the flamers then I suppose there is no reason to know that.

While your intentions are admirable, there's a few reasons why making new "Get out there and RP" threads won't work.

1) Alot of the forum browsers don't even play anymore.

2) There's already alot of roleplay in the game. Everytime I am in a city I see some, especially in Hydlaa.

3) It's just annoying, like you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.

Rather than saying "We need more RP" it'd be better to accept that not all RP is at the -finest standard- and work on improving roleplay rather than alienating those who don't fit so well.

[Illysia]

And people like you, miss the point which is exactly the problem that proposals will never get around.  There is a problem. A very real problem. I never proposed that there wasn't any RP but other people come into my threads, miss the point, derail the topic and then the original purpose gets lost in the flamewar. People just saying "Just RP and stop whining" haven't gotten back the 100+ players PS used to have, so obviously there is not only a problem but a need for another solution as that one isn't working. And if you bothered to actually read my threads you'd already know that improving the RP IS the point.

[bloodedIrishman]

I'm just surprised that there are people like Illysia who care enough and persevere.

Was I like that once ? 

[Xoel]

I'm just surprised that there are people like Illysia who care enough and persevere.

Was I like that once ? 

No, you weren't.

[novacadian]

Hopefully it is not OT to thank the Dev Team for working on providing a quality game software as well as thanking Players like illysia, Roled, the Daughters, etc., etc., etc., etc. which have offered me a friendly RP hand when coming to PS.

My role is a new one here yet if you folks think RP is dead it makes me shake my head in wonderment. At the moment one cannot walk down the street without having a chance to get involved in some major RP plots and it only takes a /greet to find oneself in an RP chat that can take one anywhere.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Let's give credit to all that contribute in their own way to PS. Be that the Devs who give the world to play upon, the seasoned RPers who give a bench mark and a guiding hand, as well as the Newbies who are the PS future.

To one and all you have my grateful thanks!

- Nova

[Geoni]

I roleplayed with many other characters today. It was fun. There was death involved.  

I'm sorry, this is all I have to add. I was playing the game.

[Vakachehk]

novacadian, I must say you've earned my respect with that post.

[Xoel]

O_O Vakachehk left himself logged in on my laptop again, sorry about that.

[Xoel]

Nice post. I think the biggest problem with your ideals is that they don't suit everyone in this community. If they did, the vast majority of PlaneShift players would be on here screaming for your ideals.