Wipe y/n?

[zoran]

I find this idea attractive if an attempt at rebalancing is done simultaneously with the wipe:

• lower the PP and tria requirements for levelling for mid-to-high levels
• bring the output of the currently imbalanced PP and tria sources in line with the underused options

I also think that the first 75 levels (any skill or combination) should be relatively cheaper to acquire, making it easier to get a character started in one direction (or a few), and comparatively harder to master all. Perhaps the cost could gradually rise from 25% of the current to 100% over the first 75 skill levels. This would make it easier for RP's to play a smith, mage etc., or prepare an alt for a specific RP, while not really impacting that much on the PLer who wants to master 4 or 5 disciplines.

At the same time, learning a new skill shouldn't be as easy and cheap as it is now (getting most skills that can be used in any situation up to level 5 is very easy right now).

[Sarras Volcae]

why don't the devs just go ahead and wipe? this isn't a democracy. and i really don't think anyone needs compensation for lost levels. sure, may be annoying, but a total wipe is for the greater good. players can work for it again if they care so much.

to all the whiny nerds: why did you join a game in alpha if you knew this could happen? you're all testers, this is what happens when you join an incomplete game. suck it up.

lol @ threats to quit. you'll see it's not so bad. not as many people as you think will leave, and if they're solely on laanx for leveling they'll move to that other server.

The game will always be in development, I guess we will all be testers forever (as is the case with most open-source software). The game is already 6 years old, and will continue to evolve forever. But to say that people against a wipe are "whiners" is ignorant. Some people have spent years leveling crafting and magic. If there isn't a way to transfer the data from the databases yet, then perhaps a method should be developed.

And I am in no way anywhere near max levels but I know quite a few who are, and who will quit playing if you wipe. I don't understand why it seems many people are so closed-minded about this.

the game will be in development forever? ummm... no. may take a hundred so years, but that doesn't mean forever. :p

maybe you're ignorant? you're being whiny and selfish. game > your character. you're not as important as you think, online especially. how many years you spent wasting your life to level a virtual avatar doesn't make you and everyone else like you more important than the game.

the whiny nerds can go ahead and leave. i don't give a poop and neither do the devs. don't let your emotions cloud your judgment. it's pathetic.

ignored the rest of post as it's irrelevant

[Geoni]

Yes wipe it, i am for the wipe, though there are some things to consider:

1) Our names! Our precious names, i would really be happy if the developers could find a way that we could protect our names so that they are not stolen!

2)Is the wipe going to come with an update? Its good to see some change over time and patience of having to wait for it to recover.

3)How long will we have to wait? It would be nice to know a legit time that the server will come back.

4)and last losing all that we have worked with, training everything, and maxing stats. And what about winch access, is there a way we can have it for free when rebuilding our character? is there a reason to do it again?

Anyways im gonna stick around even to the end of this game, it was my first and only MMORPG!

[Samelson]

There is an argument saying that, at first, we had fun
starting from from scratch, and therefore we should
have fun anyway starting from scratch again in the
event of a wipe out.
 
Well, i think that the fun comes from discovering new
things, new possibilities, new places. Doing all over
things that you have done before, is not my idea of
fun.

When i first discovered the wonderfull world of sex, i
have started with kissing and soon discovered other
possibilities and new things, and it was thrilling.

Now, let's say there would be a wipe out in the
wonderfull world of sex and that you would go back to
kissing only. Would it be fun? I guess not. But your
first kisses were thrilling, right?

And, in Planeshift, remember, it would be kissing only
for only 30 seconds, then being too exhausted to move,
sitting for while, etc...

Samelson

[Samelson]

Geoni, if i get your point, you are in favor of a wipe out as long as it does not have the effects of a wipe out (you want us to keep our stats, our names, the Winch access, etc..). I am getting your point right?

Samelson

[Redyn]

@Samelson: True words.

@Sarras: If your intention was to annoy everyone who has another opinion, i think you were successful.

I'd wish the Dev that started this flamewar would post a decision soon, so i know if i can stop playing right away.

[Qter]

maybe you're ignorant? you're being whiny and selfish. game > your character. you're not as important as you think, online especially. how many years you spent wasting your life to level a virtual avatar doesn't make you and everyone else like you more important than the game.

You are missing the point Sarras, if we thought this was just another game, we would uninstall it long time ago.

Maybe you are right as you bluntly said it, probably no one gives a dime for us, but at least I give a dime for myself no matter where I am.  What I find really pathetic is the complete loss of empathy towards us and our invested time around. 

About the  technical reasons, I understand them, but in some way it sounds more like a quick-fix than an integral solution for those issues. No one guarantees that those unbalances won't show again in some other ways, and then what? the solution would be another wipe?

At last the people who will go away aren't the "whinning nerds" as people like me, who are against the wipe is called, but the ones who never got that we are an online-community.

[cormah]

i say vote no we will lose too many good people who have worked hard and if someone does not share your point of view dont call them names and insult them sarras

[verden]

The state of the game necessitates database resets at different times, there has never been any secret about this, and it is open knowledge that these resets have always been coming. There is no "complete loss of empathy", if there was, this thread would not exist and any discussion on this would be locked immediately. If you cannot deal with the fact that your character is going to go away at some unspecified point in the future, then you should leave now. The developers also did not "start a flamewar", the community needs no help with that part of it. Everyone i lucky I am not in charge of things, as I would setup a schedule of resets (plural) leading up to version 1.0 and they would proceed without any discussion that involves the general player community at all. The point of this project should be to create finished software that works well and fairly for all players, but I am only for a database reset at this time if there is a proper methodology in place to benefit from it. There is also no point to calling names and paraphrasing what other people have said. There is also the point that we have lost plenty of good people who worked very hard on their characters in the past. Guess what? For each player that has left, ten have tried the game and at least one has stayed. The project itself will continue to accrue players even if everyone who posted here today left.

[miclos]

Yes [so we can ask our original stats back with Christmas j/k ]

I'm looking forward to a clean start, but with all the work I know others did on their chars I do think they should get some kind of compensation.
And I don't mean myself, but those who spent *days* boring themselves with mining to pay for their magic lessons.

Does a complete wipe means the wipe of Guild too and the creation of new Guilds?  No one seems to worry about that important issue.  And also the fact that we were playing a test game was not so evident as it has become today.  I think this pool is absolutely abusive and it is the sort or democracy that is manipulating the opinion.   It is quite normal that the developpers should do what is necessary to better their game and participating or not in this pool is of no consequences whatsoever.

  that is the name of the game and we are playing it, like it or not

[Socius Rockus]

When i first discovered the wonderfull world of sex, i
have started with kissing and soon discovered other
possibilities and new things, and it was thrilling.

Now, let's say there would be a wipe out in the
wonderfull world of sex and that you would go back to
kissing only. Would it be fun? I guess not. But your
first kisses were thrilling, right?

And, in Planeshift, remember, it would be kissing only
for only 30 seconds, then being too exhausted to move,
sitting for while, etc...

Samelson

First off all: LOLWUT!?
How do you see the 'wipe out' in the sex-biz happening? Everybody getting their body-fluids back and having to spend it all again? Or do you mean we all forget our experiences? (which would mean it's everyone's first time and thus by your words 'thrilling')
I don't detect problems  

Anyway I played KOTOR for like... 5-6 times? Doing the same things can be done differently and makes on appreciate the game more (also points out that new graph-cards not always mean better performance in évery game)
New is what you make with old crap  
And also [some nonsense to be inserted here]

This wipe would probably just make some people realize that spending hours mining stuff just isn't everything in Planeshift  

That was it... I guess
 

[bloodedIrishman]

There is an argument saying that, at first, we had fun
starting from from scratch, and therefore we should
have fun anyway starting from scratch again in the
event of a wipe out.
 
Well, i think that the fun comes from discovering new
things, new possibilities, new places. Doing all over
things that you have done before, is not my idea of
fun.

When i first discovered the wonderfull world of sex, i
have started with kissing and soon discovered other
possibilities and new things, and it was thrilling.

Now, let's say there would be a wipe out in the
wonderfull world of sex and that you would go back to
kissing only. Would it be fun? I guess not. But your
first kisses were thrilling, right?

And, in Planeshift, remember, it would be kissing only
for only 30 seconds, then being too exhausted to move,
sitting for while, etc...

Samelson

I dont know what to say. To each his own.

This wipe would probably just make some people realize that spending hours mining stuff just isn't everything in Planeshift

*chuckles*

[steuben]

http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=31475.0 <-- generally against. besides i got it a bit of graphic rehtoric in that thread,

currently slightly for it.

Karyuu: Heeey
Karyuu: Can I have a mini-rant about something?
***Underthemoon bows to Karyuu and get another chair.
Makratok: as long as i keep my pants on :|
***Underthemoon takes a seat and listens.
***Karyuu takes out a Verliit puppet sock. "I am the lady of DARKNESS! My roleplay is superior! I am the roleplay MASTER! Without me, your community will DIE! Your wipes are KILLING PlaneShift! BLAH BLAH BLAH! LOOK AT ME, I HAVE TEETH AND EAT STUFF!"
Karyuu: /end
Ayshe: ...

is a general distallation of anti-wipe discussions.

but it has been said, wipe now. wipe later. doesn't matter there will still be a wipe.

...

nobody suspects the spanish wipe-position!

[Tuxide]

Thought I would shed some light on a few things for those that weren't around, since some of you people are assuming things that will probably not happen.  The last time there was a full wipe was August 2005.  From the main page:

The update to version 0.3.011 is released. You can get it from our download section.

As many of you already know, ALL characters have been deleted, while the accounts are still present. So our database still has you email address and password stored. You do not need to recreate the account if you already had one. Just login as you have done till today.

If you had a character in MB version of PlaneShift (0.2.x), you can migrate it to the new version. To do that, just login with your CB account, then create a character with the same name of the previous MB char, and you will get some additional trias plus, if you collected many crystals, a special item.

Also:

We fine tuned the progression rules, so your characters will evolve in a more consistent way. This change really requires that we proceed with the famous WIPE of characters, so everyone will start from the beginning with the new rules. We are aware that a wipe is not a popular action, but you should consider that PS is still in tech demo stages, so we have to reset characters when the updates requires it. We will restart from the MB->CB migration, so everyone that had an MB character can still migrate it to the new database with the same procedure used last time. More details on this when the update is ready.

Right before 0.3.011, the fastest way to gain cash in the game was probably to farm for Tefusang teeth or to farm the Brigand for broadswords (there was only one of them, you needed a group to kill him, and it didn't always drop).  Metallurgy did not exist and NPCs payed 12 or so tria for platinum ore.  The max for Strength was 90 or so and Strength buffs did not exist.

Also, leveling was much different before 0.3.011.  From 0.3.011 to now, the amount of progression points and the number of times you need to practice a skill increases linearly per level.  Prior to 0.3.011, it was a constant rate; this means it would take the same amount of effort and resources to get from 89-90 as it did to get from 0-1.  In conclusion, the pre-wipe PlaneShift was a much different game than the post-wipe PlaneShift.

In my opinion, go ahead and wipe if the game really calls for it, but don't base your decision to wipe on this thread.

[Akkaido Kivikar]

* Akkaido Kivikar lolz hard at Karyuu's rant.