Wipe y/n?

[steuben]

actually wasn't that the first cb version?

iirc there wan't progression, tria, critters or combat of any kind. just a whole bunch of rp and people running around looking at the ground for these crystal type things.

[Tuxide]

actually wasn't that the first cb version?

iirc there wan't progression, tria, critters or combat of any kind. just a whole bunch of rp and people running around looking at the ground for these crystal type things.

No, Crystal Blue was launched in Christmas 2004.  I'm referring to the Crystal Blue that existed between then and August 2005, which was much different than what we have now.

[Rihes]

Honestly, most of the characters I play as I don't even level, nor do I do much fighting with them anyways. When I do, then I refrain from godmodding. So any which way, a wipe won't bother me.

[Xordan]

actually wasn't that the first cb version?

iirc there wan't progression, tria, critters or combat of any kind. just a whole bunch of rp and people running around looking at the ground for these crystal type things.

That was mb, not cb. Those were the good ol' days

[Akkaido Kivikar]

Along with wiping characters and levels, they should wipe the levelling system and not bring it back.

Just give everyone average skills in everything, and leave it at RP.

(just a poke at the PLers)

[Prolix]

I said it before and I'll say it again, open up EZPC with the new system as it is already in place and let us see how different it really is. Fix whatever new bugs are discovered and then make the decision about Laanx.

BTW: Wipe threads are against forum policy, bad Xillix! Better ban him for a year neko 

[Qter]

The state of the game necessitates database resets at different times, there has never been any secret about this, and it is open knowledge that these resets have always been coming. There is no
"complete loss of empathy", if there was, this thread would not exist and any discussion on this would be locked immediately.

Well if this has already decided from the beginning, then there is nothing to discuss about.  Nobody told me the first time I entered the community that will be a reset or regular basis resets or even that they were in the past. What I meant with loss of empathy is the fact I spent hours in a very amusing game knowing people and making bounds, training hard and fairly to fit in the scene and all of the sudden everything is gone, and the worst thing is nobody cares about our opinions and even call names for it.

If you cannot deal with the fact that your character is going to go away at some unspecified point in the future, then you should leave now.

Why Verden? Why should I leave? As a community member I want to talk about it and contribute to a solution even if I had limitations to do it, as I said before I understand the reasons, but I don't agree with them.  Thinking different from the majority is a reason to leave? I didn't know that all people thinking the same way was a requirement to play this game.  What I cannot deal with is the fact that every fairly amount of releases everything you had work for will wash away for any reason.

The point of this project should be to create finished software that works well and fairly for all players, but I am only for a database reset at this time if there is a proper methodology in place to benefit from it. There is also no point to calling names and paraphrasing what other people have said. There is also the point that we have lost plenty of good people who worked very hard on their characters in the past. Guess what?For each player that has left, ten have tried the game and at least one has stayed. The project itself will continue to accrue players even if everyone who posted here today left.

I think is not flame war when you speak your mind about something you feel wrong, when people troll and insult others, well that's a flame war.  I'm sure the project will continue and I hope it will succeed in the long run, even if everyone left now as you said, but the fact is I'm not and while I stay around I want to express myself and defend what I think is right, and not only "/me nods" when something like this happens. Unfortunately the only way I have to help now is telling you in this post how I feel about it.

What I'm asking for is, if there is another way to fix the database and the game flaws without destroying our work, please try it!

If there's nothing left to do, well at least it should be included it as part of Yliakum Mythos like the cyclical destruction and restoration of the world.  That way won't be misunderstandings in the future with new or old community members.

[ravenrise]

Have fun!

It seems to me that Xillix is acting like a very cruel developer. Jk
But seriously, the point of this thread is what? To start the flame apocalypse?
If I were a developer I would wipe it in the middle of the night, no one would ever know.
 Okay, maybe some people would know, but not all of them.
  Ninja devs!

[Prolix]

I think it should be mentioned that the developers bend over backwards to try to keep the users happy. That they are asking this question now says to me that there are sufficient changes to the code that they really ought to be tried from a blank state and to not have old problems confusing the source of new bugs. I called for a wipe a few years ago when significant exploits had been discovered and corrected. It never happened. If it was needed then (as I believe) then it is all the more important now. Too much mucking around with a database will corrupt it every bit as much as bad code will.

Wipe -- don't wipe, I do not care, just update as soon as possible please.

[Illysia]

I say no... There is no way in all of "what's 'south' of here" that I am PLing cooking AGAIN just so that the actual skill matches the RPed character ability AGAIN!  I can live with the loss of all sorts of stuff on other characters but there is no way I am rebuilding Illysia's skills back up. I'd hate for her to be a pure RP character but, uh uh... no way! I'm through with the grinding from now on.

If Illy didn't have to run the stonehead, I probably wouldn't care so much but that would in my opinion set the whole operation back if all the cooks had to start from scratch again.  Also, what happens to things like guildhouses and the keys to those locks? Would they all be restored?

@ people who bring up the wipe at version 1.0: If they have to wipe then fine, but keep in mind that multiple wipes could be a major set back to the community... We already don't have quite as many people as we used to, please advocate wipes carefully. I can deal with the wipe at version 1.0 but I would appreciate it if there weren't a ton in between then and now. Wiping now does not negate that wipe at ver. 1.0 and I'd hate to level, restart, level, restart constantly.

[steuben]

What I'm asking for is, if there is another way to fix the database and the game flaws without destroying our work, please try it!

if the solution is simple you never see the problem. if such could be it would be. but since it can't be it won't.

[gaelfx]

There seems to have been some discussion about all players being testers, which is simply untrue. If this were true, EZPC would be available to all of us at this time since it is "down for testing," and we would have access to functions that would not be available to normal players that would enable us to test a wider variety of the aspects of the game. If you read the thread about EZPC being shut down, you would see that being a tester is clearly a separate position from being the players that most of us currently are.

To the people who say "Stop complaining, the wipe is coming, deal with it and get over it," this statement is not in any way furthering the discussion of whether or not we should have a wipe and frankly, I don't understand the point of simply laying down and taking it in the...well, you know where. We were asked by the devs if we think a wipe should happen and it's our duty to thoroughly consider how such a change will affect us personally. Only the devs know whether or not the code itself necessitates a reset, but the we, the players, ARE the community and only we can say how it will affect US. I appreciate the devs concern, and I won't hold a wipe against them, but to me, if they perform a wipe that is not required by the code, it just doesn't make sense. There are two servers, and it certainly seems that the non-RP server is for testing, so I can't justify a wipe of the RP server when there is a clearly better-suited server for such action. People may say that things are imbalanced or that the economy is messed up or that Mr. So-and-so has some item that he obtained in some illegitimate way, but I think that those things fit perfectly into an RP-realm: greed, corruption, horribly imbalanced economy. These things have been, are and always will be part of every society that ever has existed, does exist and will exist. As for clearing out those who don't participate in RP on Laanx, there is always the /ignore command or the simple labeling of those people as "crazy" or "strangers." I never really had a problem dealing with those people.

[Gledios]

There seems to have been some discussion about all players being testers, which is simply untrue. If this were true, EZPC would be available to all of us at this time since it is "down for testing," and we would have access to functions that would not be available to normal players that would enable us to test a wider variety of the aspects of the game. If you read the thread about EZPC being shut down, you would see that being a tester is clearly a separate position from being the players that most of us currently are.

take another look, the thread says, "We are starting today some INTERNAL testing on the ezpc server, which will actually be shut down for players today."

Internal is the key word........ if not i just made a total ass of myself, because i happen to be good at that.

[gaelfx]

Ok, ok, I know I'm posting a lot, but whatever. I just want to make a suggestion about the website as a whole.
This information: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=14529.0 should be very visible on the account creation page or the 'about section' of the main website. It seems to me that there was no warning for players about this unless they visit the forums and read very carefully. Also, the philosophy of this post is spot on, in my opinion.

[Tuxide]

Ok, ok, I know I'm posting a lot, but whatever. I just want to make a suggestion about the website as a whole.
This information: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=14529.0 should be very visible on the account creation page or the 'about section' of the main website. It seems to me that there was no warning for players about this unless they visit the forums and read very carefully. Also, the philosophy of this post is spot on, in my opinion.

I don't see why that would be such a big deal, in the MMORPG world playing a game in the testing stage (or development stage even, in PS's case) would imply that there would be bugs and wipes.  Least that's been the case in all the closed and open betas I've played; they will wipe until they announce they will no longer wipe again.