Wipe y/n?

[Timmothy Perriwinkle]

Money can change hands. From guilty to innocent hands.

[Krangon]

Hello everyone,

I am playing this game for some years now and I voted 'No Wipe'.
But the voting is really clear: The most of us want the wipe, the devs want the wipe and the gm's want the wipe aswell.

I just want to say: When do you(Devs) wipe Laanx? There will be no change.

 And if there would be the voting Yes:95 NO:100 for example I think you would wiped aswell be cause you think it is the best for the game. It will be hard to start new cause of being bored because you have to rest every 2 mins and cant just run from Oja to Gug.
Why do we Disscuss for nothing? Everyone says the same! I will lose every thing that destroyes RP other say the it will be the best what the game could happen...

Greetings Krangon

[Dannae]

Dannae senses change coming. She's tried and failed to get a grasp on what's happening. She sees it on pensive faces of both strangers and friends, unspoken of, yet visible, and evident in their lack of interest with old routines. It was just yesterday, after stumbling unexpectedly upon the body of an old acquaintance, Famiel, that she came to realize… it's already begun.

Her heart pounding furiously, unwanted fears creeping into her thoughts, she makes her way swiftly to the Secret Garden kneeling in the flowers before the Ruqua tree. Her favorite place of solace fails to comfort now and she lowers her head remaining motionless except for her trembling.

After a lengthy time, her gaze lifts to the looming figure above. Attempting to drive the effects of fear from her shaky voice she calls out, "For as long as I've lived, our ideals have always been one and the same, well before I knew of you and took my life's oath to the Daughter's of Xiosia. Please Xiosia, I'm not ready to die!"

She pulls a small bottle from her pack to balance gingerly on her upward facing palm, then raises it above her head. Her gaze focuses once again on the wooden figure as she fights to stop the tears streaming down her face. "Please keep my soul safe that I may be reborn as I am".

I thought it might be "fun" to let my thoughts on a possible wipe be known from the prospective of my character, even if the answer remains unclear. It's not meant to be serious RP for those who would have preferred I make a simple but boring yes or no and leave it at that.

I had another thought from reading previous posts concerning time spent training skills and levels. If RP is better served by no one becoming a super character with all skills and levels maxed, then why not place a limit on all players forcing them to decide how to distribute their experience between all available skills. Individuals could decide to place the bulk on whatever is most important to that character.

[Raekh]

PS is not a democracy, and dev decisions are not based on a poll. If devs think something is necessary then it will happen, no matter what people say.

Why this poll? Perhaps it is for gaining insights into testplayers' opinion nonetheless - and I think it is a good way to have them slowly prepared. However, why not discuss it? Personally I think it is quite interesting to see how this discussion goes this time. And I agree, compared to the last one this time way more people are pro wipe. No clue though if the last time there were more oldbies still active that would have lost anything, and this time there was a higher percentage on newbies without anything to lose yet.

I heard about this recent money exploit and those people who came up with it and frankly I am rather tired of such bs. Wipe the whole crap and have people like those sent to ezpcusa for they can mess up that server made for them (people spending time to hack cash or exploit flaws in the code obviously dont focus on roleplaying) - and if you are really serious with Laanx being an RP server, seriously come up with some reinforcement, like having to sign that Covenant. Unfortunately I am aware of those idiots would join Laanx to mess around anyway.
Everything else was already said, especially that it is pointless to reason a wipe with getting rid of dead accounts, as long as there wont be some mechanism implemented that would "wipe" that reason at the same time.

One point makes me pretty optimistical (, I hope for a reason): Since it was said most of the team is pro wipe, I think major and basic changes will come up with the next client, concerning either mechanics and balancing. Who knows, maybe even grinding will become less annoying and tiresome.

PS: Dannae please.. you neither roleplay shutting down your client, right?

[Tomislav]

Interesting observation: people who voteed yes don't play anymore

[aldo]

Rather than saying it's because of your stats, please come up with a solid evidenced argument about how NOT having a wipe will BENEFIT PLANESHIFT from a DEVELOPMENT point of view.
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So, come up with a precise, evidenced argument.

look again. many precise evidenced arguments are on. I.e. some stated they will leave the game for a wipe. Less players make the PS world appear unpopulated. With less population a new player woundn't meet any other player let's say the first time he/she goes to Ojaveda to ask for help. With all the rest a new player has to take when running to Oja, he/she will not see any other player for half an hour. That's frustrating and NOT helping to keep/maintain new players again to compensate the lack.

Please come up yourself with a precise argument of what the merrit of a wipe will be. Is there any evidence yet that the problems will be solved at all after the wipe?

Question:
When will the decision be made?
Will this poll be the only basement for the decision?

[weltall]

It will be hard to start new cause of being bored because you have to rest every 2 mins and cant just run from Oja to Gug.

which isn't the case

and for the exploit. it's good finding them but then they should be reported asap to gm and not used anymore.

as for aldo concerns there are other changes which make that argument void and as for the time to get to hydlaa the argument is void as stated above

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

We've already made many comments on why to wipe.

[Tomislav]

If buggy leftover items are causing crashes why not just delete all items from everyone and reset their quests.
That way everyone at least keeps the hard earned stats/skills.

Some players have spent years developing their characters, and these are the real testers of this game and many of them keep welcoming new players. Total stats/skills wipe would frustrate many and cause them to leave the game for good leaving Hydlaa an empty or at least a lot less welcoming server.

Sure we're going to have a wipe for 1.0 release, but that's going to be totally different. The game in its current state of development isn't very attractive to new players due to lack of content and many missing features. Until that changes, a total wipe in my opinion would do this game a lot more harm then good.

I don't support the wipe.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

There is more than enough features and changes in place to wipe now for the benefits already outlined.

[Xanthan]

All right Xillix, you've convinced me that there's going to be a wipe, and soon.

So I've started thinking about what this implies from an in-game perspective.  I am convinced there needs to be a settings-based explanation that our characters can work with, and that there is a mechanism for players to learn it, perhaps by speaking to NPCs.

One day, everyone we know in Yliakum except NPCs will cease to exist.  How do we explain this to ourselves, as characters?  The only elders in our society will be NPCs, and mysteriously they DON"T disappear like everyone else.  They'd better be prepared to explain what's going on to all the inexperienced (by which I mean unskilled) people who will suddenly appear.  We'll also need an explanation of where this sudden insurge of new people came from.

If a wipe is to occur, it implies that much creative work by the settings team is also occurring to explain it.  Please let us know if we can help by brainstorming ideas here in the forums.  But then, perhaps that is part of why you started this discussion...

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

I'd have to figure out two things before doing that xanthan: One, will we get to do the wipe, Two, would the players care to have that ooc fact brought into the game ic?

There isn't 100% consensus among devs on whether to wipe yet. I've polled the player base to illustrate that there is significant will among those in the community to see a fresh start. We aren't at the stage of announcing a wipe, but if we get to that stage, I'll ask the players how they'd like to handle it IC/OOC.

The most recent idea is to wipe laanx and use the laanx data on ezpcusa. Then we can let the stats junkies have their progress and let the rpers have a new server all their own. 

[Elady]

I can't see who a wipe can be OOC. After all one day you are in a guild and the next there is no guild. One day you can kill a Ulber with no problem and the next day you will be hard pressed to kill a rat. Sure some people have no problem RP'ing skills they don't have. Others, like myself, only like to RP skills they can back up with mechanics. A wipe will force a change in a lot of RP so I can't see how people can treat it as totally an OOC event.

[Aiwendil]

The most recent idea is to wipe laanx and use the laanx data on ezpcusa. Then we can let the stats junkies have their progress and let the rpers have a new server all their own. 

A great idea...but I think I already said that before (okay, not exactly, just with switched servers).

And I'm not going to RP a wipe. It's a OOC issue and needs to be handled OOCly. What's the problem with just RPing a guild that doesn't exists for a few days until someone got the 20K needed to recreate it. And for the skills and stats...RPing with people who play out all their maxed skills isn't funny anyway. I really wonder why obviously all people in Yliakum are equally strong. Just use some imagination in the days after the wipe. And with the mentioned idea of Xillix everyone who wants to keep his/her precious skills just have to go to EZPC and will be happy.

[Lhaa]

I'd have to figure out two things before doing that xanthan: One, will we get to do the wipe, Two, would the players care to have that ooc fact brought into the game ic?

First we RP a wipe, then we start RPing server crashes, then server lag, then people logging off, then in-game bugs, then group windows, then cellphones, then people's RL birthdays, then our cheese-smelling feet when we logged in before taking a shower.
1) Seriously, it makes no sense.
2) It will mislead plenty of players and take to hilarious behavior like the described above.

Wipe whenever is needed but don't make of it an IC event.