Wipe y/n?

[Xanthan]

With respect, I totally disagree that a wipe will not have IC effect.  It is a huge change in what the _characters_ (not the players) see in the world of Yliakum.  Of course, I am one of those who roleplays only what is supported by the mechanics and consistent with what my character has accomplished, skillwise.

I am relieved to see that this idea of moving the existing laanx data to ezpcusa, though I hope that there will also be new software releases and so on to go with it.  I would probably play in both worlds if that was so.

To Lhaa: actually, I do roleplay the effects of bugs.  Anything that significantly effects my character in a way that is visible to others needs an in-game explanation.  If I can explain it in a way that works within settings I find it at least makes the bug slightly less annoying.  It can also be fun.

[Lhaa]

That's totally against making Planeshift's world appear realistic. Whenever I see a graphic glitch in RL I may be convinced otherwise.

[Jullun Sihena]

I'm not a frequent poster in the forum, mostly lurking from a dark corner...

I've played PS so long I remember a time before Trias were around and the only place was Hydlaa plaza, but I'm not against a wipe.

After all, we're also testers (game is ), and the possibility of a wipe is clear from the beginning.

I'd also be stung by a reset, but it would not make me leave.

Regards,
Jullun.

[verden]

We should start with fresh stories and characters. It would be the dawn of a new age, a brand-new day. So there would be no references to what happened before the reset, at least that is how I will treat it. No big deal, and to me, it sounds refreshing. Its not like *all* of the existing RP is worth keeping.

[Irgendwer]

The most recent idea is to wipe laanx and use the laanx data on ezpcusa. Then we can let the stats junkies have their progress and let the rpers have a new server all their own. 

Pardon, I might have misunderstood you here, but are you suggesting, that the Laanx database is so corrupted, that only a clean sweep will fix the problem? However, and in order to appease the stataholics, you plan to take the corrupted database and iron it over ezpcusa? What exactly is the point in that? You want a fresh start, so you can balance things like economy and stat/skill training, yet it is also your intent to drive those, who would actually supply the data for coming up with the math away from the server where you want to do that? And to ensure, they don't accidentally supply any useful data at their new home, you make sure, they have to play with what you actually wanted to get rid of?

I mean, I moved over to ezpcusa and rebuild there just to get rid of RP bullies, who wouldn't recognize RP if it bit them into their behind and now it's time to throw everything away again just to get my old character back  ?! Sigh, bring it. It'll be a serious skill boost for me, but I really wonder, why I had to move to Ezpcusa, so the roleplayers could keep their precious books, when we are now switching servers anyway.

Sorry, either do it properly or not at all. That idea is more brain dead than the last "role  player", I had the pleasure of bumping into and she was dense enough to serve as reactor shielding.

[Caraick]

Well, since we are just just technically beta-testers here, I guess I can't really oppose a wipe that much.  I'd agree with the others in that it'll sting in terms of tria and stats, but it could be all right to have a fresh start.
 

[Illysia]

Lhaa, there are tons of graphical glitches in RL, like mirages, optical illusions, and LSD trips...  I do think it should be RPed, but that's not to say that I RP every bug. This is pretty big so I think there should be something addressing it. After all, we could easily end up with a ton of characters just not comming back. I'm am leaning more towards what verden is saying with restarting existing characters even... It's not my favorite idea but I suppose I could adjust to it.

Irgenwer: It's not that bad an idea, especially as it might actually get people onto that server. EZPC is usually maxed out at 30 people, if that much, for people who absolutely could not start over, it's a good idea to leave it behind for them. Since many are concerned over stat loss, they will have an option other than to leave entirely.

[bloodedIrishman]

On a side note.

I have played for nearly three years. I have various characters and have trained them. I have a decent cache of items and goods. I voted yes on this poll. I know half a dozen other veterans who are in a similiar state. Know that players who have played long and put work in are not just voting no.

[luckeley]

The problem is alot of stat levelling has been funded by the ill economy and/or duplicated trias. Therefore it is horrendously balanced.

Do you not see? You're not meant to max 6 skills and all stats.... real people just don't do that in a lifetime.

Edit: So Qter, you expect the devs to not wipe out of "respect" when you can't respect them enough to respect that a wipe is actually necessary for PlaneShift to grow?

WOW!! This coming from a guy who wants RP police. How would you have any idea what a "normal" number of stats ans skills the races of Yliakum could train? Some races may live as long as 400 years.

[Irgendwer]

Irgenwer: It's not that bad an idea, especially as it might actually get people onto that server. EZPC is usually maxed out at 30 people, if that much, for people who absolutely could not start over, it's a good idea to leave it behind for them. Since many are concerned over stat loss, they will have an option other than to leave entirely.

Hint: You do a wipe because you want to accomplish something, not because it's fun to do so. That lame compromise accomplishes nothing beyond effectively switching server names (well, actually it accomplishes pissing those off,  who bit the bullet once by moving to ezpcusa, so roleplayers can have their long longed for armed RP police force). In which way doing that benefits game development, though, is completely beyond me.

[Lhaa]

Lhaa, there are tons of graphical glitches in RL, like mirages, optical illusions, and LSD trips...  I do think it should be RPed, but that's not to say that I RP every bug.

Ehm.
What's next, we do RP that characters from everybody who doesn't use perfect english have speech problems?
Go ahead then, with the amount of typos I make I guess I have to add something to all my characters' descriptions:

"This person has a shoe in his/her/kras mouth and munches it often as he/she/kra talks."

[Illysia]

Irgenwer: I assure you, there are more people that aren't hardcore RPers than the 30 or so people "who bit the bullet once by moving to ezpcusa, so roleplayers can have their long longed for armed RP police force". Most people never moved over. Also, information will still be collected from Laanx which will have been wiped squeaky clean. So how is there no benefit from the compromise? Why is one server unable provide any information at all? I think you have hung up on issues with RPers not on whether any info will be gathered. And this is still a game, letting people have some fun is part of the package.

Lhaa:  maybe...

[Irgendwer]

Irgenwer: I assure you, there are more people that aren't hardcore RPers than the 30 or so people "who bit the bullet once by moving to ezpcusa, so roleplayers can have their long longed for armed RP police force". Most people never moved over. Also, information will still be collected from Laanx which will have been wiped squeaky clean. So how is there no benefit from the compromise? Why is one server unable provide any information at all? I think you have hung up on issues with RPers not on whether any info will be gathered. And this is still a game, letting people have some fun is part of the package.

No, I am not hung up on issues on roleplayers. The point simply is, that it makes no sense to first state, that the current database on Laanx is the corrupted third son of the black flame's mother in law, which is contaminated beyond repair and therefore must be eradicated, and then come up with the bright idea of moving it from Laanx to Ezpcusa along with the entire playerbase, thus completely defeating the point of the whole exercise.

I can assure you, that I see the whole issue purely from a technical point of view and technically there is nothing to gain from this. I really don't know how to explain that to you except by using hand puppets, but I really have the impression here, that someone said "wipe", then half the folks went unhappy and now it has become "wipe" for wipe's sake. Or in other words: The evil word was mentioned and now the deed has to be done in order to appease the gods. There just needs to be a way to be found, in which it will not burden the mortals, totally ignoring why the gods were grumbling in the first place - Talk about politics. Let's find a compromise, that serves nobody, but contains the disadvantages of both sides, so we can do something for the sake of doing it and everybody feels equally screwed afterwards.

PS: To repeat myself, in order to make absolutely clear, that I'm not whining about loosing my stats: I'm neither arguing  for nor against a wipe. I am also not afraid of loosing anything (heck, the Laanx database holds a much more powerful version of my main char), but I find it ridiculous to do something, that defies it's own purpose.

[Gledios]

WOW!! This coming from a guy who wants RP police. How would you have any idea what a "normal" number of stats ans skills the races of Yliakum could train? Some races may live as long as 400 years.

No, actually Elves, which live the longest out of all the races, only live up to 200 years of age.

but this isnt the right thread for that.

[verden]

If they wish to move the Laanx database to EZ-PC I can see one benefit in that it will tempt non-roleplayers away from Laanx itself. It might not be a bad thing for that. But, as a purist, I am against it since that is the test server and it seems somewhat problematic to then corrupt the test server with the bad data. At no point has this been argued from the team as a reset for a reset's sake. There are serious issues going back many years in the project that make the reset beneficial to the community as a whole. Issues that have been fixed (or at least hacked around *cough* sacks) already and the world will simply be catching up if there is a reset. Really, if it is done, in six months hardly anyone will even remember it.