need advice

[Sarras Volcae]

this is about school. not asking for homework help this time, don't fret....

i've always been a good student. mostly the top in my class, until now. feels like my teachers are shoving their political agendas down my throat and forcing me to say/write things that are personal or against my views. they don't teach facts, they're teaching views that i don't share. i do not agree with the work they're having me do. i'm finding it hard to keep myself from tearing the heads off annoying classmates lol... so i'm rly distressed. i can't take this crap anymore. i no longer have respect for the teachers or school. actually i wouldn't mind dropping out or joining the military.

would be thankful for any advice. irl i'm bad about speaking my feelings and no one knows me here so that's why i posted this! ekjzhzkkahsh (yes that was necessary)

also, stfu in advance, timmothy

[PhoenixRizin]

Stay in school. And if your teacher's present a view opposite your own then understand why they take that side. There is a saying that understanding other ways should make you more in accord with your own. Take the opportunity to learn to think from the other side of the table, as that alone is an important life skill. It teaches you to make a more compelling argument on your side.

[Syenna]

See if you can talk with the higher-ups (principal, maybe the school board if it's that bad) about it. If that doesn't work, just write BS papers the teacher would agree with and hope for better teachers in the next school.

Also, I don't suggest joining the military, but...that's yet another matter of someone else's views vs yours, now, isn't it?

[Timmothy Perriwinkle]

also, stfu in advance, timmothy

OH SHI-
She predicted the future. A witch!

[bloodedIrishman]

I know exactly what you are going through.
Your Choices:

Problems with Teachers:
a) Pull papers, essays and work out of your ass and conform.
b) Pull papers, essays and work out of your ass and silently fume.
c) Dont play to the work they really want, and get a bad grade.
d) Talk to them, they might be reasonable or not. If they are then, a) You'll communicate and do better. b) A, or B or C
e) Leave.

Problems with Students:
a) Humiliate them in class.
b) Get to know them and educate their sorry ass.
c) Leave.

On another note, communication with teachers is ussualy key. With students, you might have to be cruel, that is the way of dealing with immature peers.

[Marqsaynt]

I had a college professor that prefaced the entire course with "Just write down what I tell you on the tests, and you can feel however you want about it outside the classroom." Too be perfectly honest, it's not a half-bad way of going about things... just because you are learning about something doesn't mean you have to believe it. For example, you can study the tenants of a different religion but, that doesn't make you a follower.

Just write what they want, keep your head down... and save your arguments for people that are actually worth the time.

...actually i wouldn't mind dropping out or joining the military.

Yes you would, you just don't know it yet.

[LigH]

I am slightly curious about facts... just wonder if your teachers prefer opinions over facts in a scientific context (like, creationism vs. evolution) or in a subjective context (like, ethics is a matter of subjective opinions for sure).

Having a different opinion in a subjective context is useful, so everyone can learn argumenting. Religions are a special issue (at least in Germany), teachers are not allowed to enforce any {world view / ideology}, they are only allowed to teach facts about them.

Having a different opinion in a scientific context can be harder, because one of both sides can be proven wrong by facts, but here you can learn proving.

Under any circumstances, if you are not happy with a current situation, talk - using more facts and arguments than emotions -
1) with the opposing person
2) with a superior if 1) fails [recursively]


BTW: I was on a scientific special school; we got a new teacher who failed her start by first treating us like 5th-graders (introducing the science to us from the beginning), then treating us like university students (surpassing the course of instruction by far) ... unfortunately we had to make her leave the class crying, before she was ready to find an agreement with the headmaster and the pupils' spokesperson. Finally she made it so well, we would have invited her even to the school trip.

[steuben]

i'm half way curious what class these fellows are teaching.

oh, if you think that have views youdon't like taught to you is nasty... the military does more than views, and force feeds you.

and dropping out of school is perhaps the dumbest thing you can think of doing.

[Sarras Volcae]

i'm half way curious what class these fellows are teaching.

an example is my history class. imo it's turned into modern conspiracy theories 101. we're being (re)taught history in more detail, however the teacher incorporates her political agenda into everything. one reason i'm pissed is that our assignments require that we agree with her, and the other students tools have already begun to.

oh, if you think that have views youdon't like taught to you is nasty... the military does more than views, and force feeds you.

then good that i agree with it (mostly).

and dropping out of school is perhaps the dumbest thing you can think of doing.

probably is lol.... doesn't seem like a bad decision now, given my situation (another situation, not the school one). i wouldn't though. just feels like school has failed me, and i'd probably be better off teaching myself real facts. but that isn't going to get me any diplomas or degrees.

the decision is made! i'll bs it, humiliate everyone who pisses me off, and tell the teachers what i think. watch me fail at life. 

[steuben]

conspiracy or revisionist?

i'm now interested can you give us examples?

[Rigwyn]

Sometimes you just have to game it.

For your own sake, do what you need to do in order to make the grade and then move on.
Your teacher's opinions won't matter once you get your grade and move on.

[Sarras Volcae]

i wouldn't say my teacher's a conspiracy theorist... she just has a major distrust in government. i think she was never exposed to the, uh, harsher world out there. she's not able to appreciate her country and pampered life.

Sometimes you just have to game it.

For your own sake, do what you need to do in order to make the grade and then move on.
Your teacher's opinions won't matter once you get your grade and move on.

that's a good point. i'll have to remember that.

thanks guys

[Geoni]

 Sarras, remember it is best to forgive those who do not treat you well, and to love those who do. With forgiveness there is always a positive outcome.

[Prolix]

Governments in the western world (and probably everywhere else) are generally beholden to the big bankers. Blind trust in the political leaders is not good for your health.
Politics is a game played by cynical people for their own benefit. Nobody is looking out for you.

Surely it is a great boon to live in the developed world. Just as surely there are idealists out to improve the world, they just rarely get anywhere and those that do are often misguided.

[LigH]

Be happy you don't live in a pseudo-socialistic (like the former GDR) or pseudo-communistic (like the current China) country. Those systems will tell you even more nonsense and premade opinions.

The Minister of Education in the GDR, Margot Honecker - who was also the wife of the Privy Council Chairman (sovereign) Erich Honecker - was secretly called "Mis(s)-Education". Recently she celebrated 60 Years of GDR in her exile in Chile (the GDR hardly approached her 40th anniversary before the revolution and reunion of Germany happened) and still believes she did it well.