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Akkaido Kivikar

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2009, 05:40:38 am »
@Lhaa:

My original post was not entirely aimed at you, get off your high horse. It was about a general attitude I see alot in PlaneShift, which was backed up by one of your quotes on the forums. It's not a continuation of the thread in which you told a non-RPer to get lost. Really, I have better things to do with my time than argue with players who think Yliakum revolves around them, or should.

It's about a trend. About the things I have observed. About negative attitudes that need fixing. Players like me stop you from playing? See, it's funny you lay such a statement. Only once have I interacted with you in the game, and finding that you took your OOC dislike for me IC (even if subtly) I decided that spending 90% of my time in the quiet Ojaveda was a good idea. I'd assume you're not someone who frequents Ojaveda, or you'd see that I spend a fair amount of time being helpful to new players.

You don't frequent the same parts of PlaneShift as I do. When 0.5.00 was pre-released, I worked my furry butt off to get it working on my PC, and started reporting and helping with bugs. I took time out of my RPs and my time with my Clan to make sure this release got out as soon as I could help it. I'd call that contributing to the community, and the markets are on the way, along with other less-public events, it takes more than one person to build these things. And the Alliance is getting stronger, more people are joining.

You assume I'm just a player. You assume wrong. You assume my posts are aimed solely at you, another wrong assumption. My original post was aimed at all the RPers who act in that way. There's a reason they're called RP-Nazis. It's players like you that cause alot of newer or less strict-RP players to get scared off this game completely. Drink your champagne to that.

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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2009, 05:46:06 am »
Well, this is just my personal experience, but in my time playing Syenna on Laanx, I've run into very few players that actually want to roleplay. Most just seem to be busy killing things, which I have no problem with, and the extent of my interaction with those has been politely declining duels.

The saddening attitude I've encountered, though, is players not wanting to roleplay because they can't see some form of benefit from it. They don't seem to want to roleplay just for the sake of it; there has to be some OOC ulterior motive in place before they'll even deign to IC'ly give my fenki the time of day.

People never talked to me on my first char :P so I deleted it and created more complex characters with RPing potential. 3 were very successful and my RPing was more interesting.

Perhaps I ought to follow Dralion's path and try some other characters, but somehow I get the feeling my luck won't improve very much.

As for the few that have roleplayed with Syenna (particularly those in RHoP), thank you, I appreciate it immensely, and hope there will be more people like you in-game soon, or I might just give up and seek my roleplay fix elsewhere.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 05:50:01 am by Syenna »

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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2009, 06:00:24 am »
I have to agree with Syenna, there's two sides to every coin. But perhaps some of these players are an after-effect of the behaviour I mentioned...

Sort of "Why roleplay, I will probably just be considered not good enough."

It's not encouraging to RP when you get told off for "Oh hello Akaiddo good see you :)"

And yes, I've seen someone get scolded for that, and he had very limited English skills and was trying his hardest. And he was rather upset by it, especially when the person reported him for replying "Oh sorry I try :("

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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2009, 06:13:52 am »
@bloodedIrishman: wtf man? i play ps. i don't base my opinions on the forum. it's full of whiny people anyway. don't make ASSumptions. also, read my posts again. i'm not arguing with you over something this stupid. if you can't understand my posts, give up and don't bother talking to me. btw, i never once mentioned the forums. don't know what you're on about.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 06:15:23 am by Sarras Volcae »

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2009, 06:22:12 am »
I haven't read the whole thread, so my reply may be way off.

I'd say in defense of the people who don't want to RP with newbies that it's difficult to tell which of the newbies are worthwhile and which aren't. I mean that from the point of view of who's going to stick with the game and who isn't. If you look at the number of accounts that have been created on PS vs. the number who ever really played the game for a meaningful amount of time, you can see that the vast majority of newbies aren't going to be around long. Unless you're an abnormally social or cheerful person, it's hard to want to be friendly to every single person who comes along despite the fact that you'll probably never see them again.

Now, you could argue that people being unfriendly is one of the reasons that so many of the newbies don't stick around, and that could be partly true. On the other hand, look at the sheer number of people who've tried PS out, and then take the number of people who actually left the entire game because one or two people didn't have a sunshine-and-daisies attitude toward them, and the percentage will be tiny. "Trial by fire" isn't nice, and it does have the possibility of killing off a small amount of people who might've been worthwhile members of the community, but on the other hand it's emotionally, mentally, and chronologically efficient.

That said, I'm not condoning people being jerks to newbies, I'm just saying that maybe it's not quite as horrible and community-destroying as is generally thought by the people who have the energy and desire to be nice to every single person, and maybe it's somewhat understandable.

Personally, my approach is generally to just be noncomittal. If I'm in a mood where I don't really want to pander to a newbie, then I'll be cold, without being mean. I'll reply to them, but not in a way that invites conversation (easy when RPing Phinehas). That way they leave me alone, but hopefully aren't offended personally.

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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2009, 06:25:12 am »
@bloodedIrishman: wtf man? i play ps. i don't base my opinions on the forum. it's full of whiny people anyway. don't make ASSumptions. also, read my posts again. i'm not arguing with you over something this stupid. if you can't understand my posts, give up and don't bother talking to me. btw, i never once mentioned the forums. don't know what you're on about.

Right, you go ahead and do that. You don't know what I'm talking about, and since I'm not getting through I agree, this is stupid.

Well, this is just my personal experience, but in my time playing Syenna on Laanx, I've run into very few players that actually want to roleplay. Most just seem to be busy killing things, which I have no problem with, and the extent of my interaction with those has been politely declining duels.

The saddening attitude I've encountered, though, is players not wanting to roleplay because they can't see some form of benefit from it. They don't seem to want to roleplay just for the sake of it; there has to be some OOC ulterior motive in place before they'll even deign to IC'ly give my fenki the time of day.

People never talked to me on my first char :P so I deleted it and created more complex characters with RPing potential. 3 were very successful and my RPing was more interesting.

Perhaps I ought to follow Dralion's path and try some other characters, but somehow I get the feeling my luck won't improve very much.

As for the few that have roleplayed with Syenna (particularly those in RHoP), thank you, I appreciate it immensely, and hope there will be more people like you in-game soon, or I might just give up and seek my roleplay fix elsewhere.

I've been through that, but one thing that you can do is try seeking other guilds and players, you might be missing the roleplays you want to be in.

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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2009, 06:49:34 am »
I've been through that, but one thing that you can do is try seeking other guilds and players, you might be missing the roleplays you want to be in.

I've been looking, but thus far, not only do I find hardly anyone (may just be the places I go and/or hours I'm on), but few of those even want to talk for more than five seconds.

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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2009, 07:23:59 am »
Join a guild. I prefer to invite newbs quickly and make them feel involved, and if they stop playing anyway, to then remove them after an inactive period, than to be picky about recruits.

That said, I have standards, and members who act up will be removed too.

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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2009, 07:43:01 am »
My original post was not entirely aimed at you

It was partly aimed at me. Thanks for giving me the point.

Only once have I interacted with you in the game, and finding that you took your OOC dislike for me IC

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(00:19:28) Lhaa gives Akaiddo a soft smirk. "Welcome to th'Red Crystal Den. Can I offer you somethin' t'drink?"
(00:19:50) Scipion takes a long drink of the beer, listening curiously to the story
(00:20:19) Akaiddo smiles weakly. "No alcohol at the moment, I'm just passing through on Clan business."
(00:20:35) Akaiddo says: Thought I'd check the place out on the way through. Very nice.
(00:20:38) Detiey says: Hmm I guess it is good he has another girl... pehaps it will keep his atentions away from me..
(00:21:08) Detiey luaghs into her goblet of wine
(00:21:57) Detiey says: although... indeed, I need another escort...
(00:21:57) Lhaa shrugs her shoulders softly, holding the smirk as she replies to Akkaido. "We serve non-alcoholic drinks s'well." She says, then turns to Detiey and smirks to her. "S'his duty though, t'protect th'citizens no matter what."
(00:22:42) Detiey says: yes... so true
(00:22:45) Akaiddo says: Oh, no matter, I must be on my way to the Bronze Doors fortress anyway. Farethee well.
(00:23:12) Scipion takes a drink of his beer, waving farewell to the Menki
(00:23:44) Lhaa shrugs and gives Akkaido a short wave. "Goddess bless." She says, then turns back to Detiey. "Besides, you don't really think he does as th'klyros said, do you now?"

So much about my dislike towards you IG. I can't really chain you to the counter, can I?
Once again you use let's say... modified truths. ;)

I'd assume you're not someone who frequents Ojaveda, or you'd see that I spend a fair amount of time being helpful to new players.

I am not around Ojaveda and I honestly don't mind whether you help new players or not. Never said you don't.
I said that most players are friendly to new players who don't know how to RP, and that you shouldn't expect some people to be welcoming to players who simply don't want to roleplay. And I stand with this.
In fact I propose you do an experiment; make an alt and pretend you want to learn how to RP. See the responses you get and if you still think the majority of players is unwelcoming come back and tell us so.

You assume I'm just a player. You assume wrong. You assume my posts are aimed solely at you, another wrong assumption.

I assume nothing of the likes. You just said the post was partially aimed at me and I never claimed to have all your attention. ;)
On the other hand, I don't care if you're a simple player, a nun, or Talad in disguise, I'll treat you just the same.

There's a reason they're called RP-Nazis

Since the last time I tried to explain you why this is not the way to call anybody my post was deleted I'll PM some pictures to you.
And if after seeing that you still think it's worth comparing PS players with this then I guess you'll have proved everybody that you either are short or have no ethics whatsoever.

Drink your champagne to that.

Not today, lost my thirst watching those pictures.

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2009, 07:57:20 am »
So you smirk at every player/character that walks into your Den?

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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2009, 08:02:42 am »
Uhh, if I understand correctly, you assume Lhaa dislikes you just from a smirk? There are a plethora of reasons someone might smirk. Dislike is one of the less common ones - no offence, Akkaido, but it sounds like maybe you're reading into that a bit too much.

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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2009, 08:06:21 am »
Uhh, if I understand correctly, you assume Lhaa dislikes you just from a smirk? There are a plethora of reasons someone might smirk. Dislike is one of the less common ones - no offence, Akkaido, but it sounds like maybe you're reading into that a bit too much.

It was sarcastic.

She quoted him from in-game in an attempt to show something wrong about him but he responded by saying that all she did was smirk.

A 'whup ti do you proved nothing' response.  ;)

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2009, 08:09:05 am »
Ah. Just another case of sarcasm being lost in text...my bad. XD

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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2009, 08:13:01 am »
Note that there was a good five-ten minute awkward silence on my part upon entering the Den. I felt rather coldshouldered OOC, and then the smirk just made me less comfortable.

@Lhaa: No matter what form of disgusting PMs you send me, I will not stop calling RP extremists 'RP-Nazis'.

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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2009, 08:33:24 am »
"make an alt and pretend you want to learn how to RP"

Doing this is part of why people stop helping newcomers, if you cannot be certain that you are actually helping someone and not just getting taken for a ride then the incentive to help is gone.

Then again if your idea of roleplay is to act out mawkish melodrama then some people will avoid you because there is too much drama in their lives already.