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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2009, 09:58:31 am »
I believe this thread is based on false assumptions of the past (and, yes, rather obviously also meant as an attack to a specific person what is already against the forum rules).
The concept of generations isn't likely to apply in planeshift; there are new players, old players, and everything between present.
To add a personal experience: The second person I met ingame told me to speak english in main and continued to run along instead of explaining things to a new player (What was fine with me).

Second: I personally would ban people naming others a nazi. Who uses it has obviously not a clue what they say and what insult it is. Stop using something like that.

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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2009, 10:13:11 am »
I think it's quite clear what a RP-Nazi is. It's a commonly accepted term in the majority of the PlaneShift community. I don't go around calling anyone who is interested in RP a RP-Nazi. No, it's a very real term, someone who treats those who don't live to their purist standard of RP. Someone who goes far beyond their calling to crush anything they see as impure RP. Scrutinising everyone and everything. Rather Nazi-like in my opinion.

Why don't you search RP-Nazi on these forums, and ban everyone who has ever used the term? Note that calling someone an RP-Nazi is not the same as calling them a Nazi... they're very different terms, rather drawing parrallels.

What people should be banned for is up to the moderators.

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2009, 10:38:53 am »
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[...]Rather Nazi-like in my opinion.
Again, you have not a clue.
I don't mind how many use it; it is a bad and insulting term. I suggest informing yourself about what titles you give your fellow players instead of copying others without having the mentioned clue.
(And no, I don't note that rp-nazi now doesn't really mean nazi. Neither seem you to do looking at the out-of-context quote)

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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2009, 10:56:47 am »
The context is obviously changed by the addition of RP- to the front of Nazi. And this is over the internet, clearly an RP-Nazi is not on the same level as the horrendous deeds of a generation ago.

And I'd say I do have a clue, it's quite a common definition within PlaneShift.

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2009, 11:08:39 am »
wtf has happened to this thread

officially derailed

stop calling people nazis, no matter what you add to the front. noot cool. does'nt matter if its a common term, it should not be used, u just don't call people nazis of any kind. sure, some people do, but they don't understand crap about real nazis

get a mod to lock this, it's going nowhere. originally i thought akaiddo made a good point, now this is getting ridiculous and personal. learn to argue guys!

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« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2009, 11:21:37 am »
I think this makes Sarras and Sen Nazi-nazis.

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« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2009, 11:28:41 am »
i think this makes u ignorant, phinehas. go roll in flaming dog crap.

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2009, 11:34:28 am »
The context is obviously changed by the addition of RP- to the front of Nazi.

Why not call them RP-KKK-Member? Honestly, as I understand it, it's made pretty clear in the setting that ingame racism is not tolerated. Why should you then use a term like this on the forums? I understand that there's a broad usage of the word "nazi" on the internet for people who defend a certain topic in an exaggerated way (e.g., "grammar nazi"), and it's usually not related to the original meaning. Might be a good joke, too, for some kinds of humor. But please, this is an international forum. Not everyone here is a white Christian US-American. Some might have lost their grand parents or something in WW2. Try to imagine you did, and now someone calls you a Nazi (even with something prepended).

Would you be happy?

Edit: Saddening attitudes indeed.

Edit2: Corrected stupid typo. Wow, Godwin's law and Murphy's law united!
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 12:01:00 pm by derula »

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2009, 11:42:54 am »
ww3? ::| boy, did i miss out on a lot of world history! need to stop playing hooky!

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2009, 11:50:22 am »
Quote
(And no, I don't note that rp-nazi now doesn't really mean nazi. Neither seem you to do looking at the out-of-context quote)

He is well aware of what a nazi is. He has read the history and knows what it is.

I think this makes Sarras and Sen Nazi-nazis.

Comic relief, thankyou.  :P

i think this makes u ignorant, phinehas. go roll in flaming dog crap.

Get the sarcasm? No?

A crusade over a commonly used term is a waste of time and pointless. For those who are hurt by a reminder of such a thing then that should be respected. I do understand the meaning of the term nazi, I've read all about that period of time. There doesn't need to be a bunch of people picking on Akaiddo for using the term, many do, just as nazi once meant a political party, it now means a person who stringently enforces some ideal or set of rules. That's how it is now.

Get off the topic of RP Nazi.

Back onto the real thing, at which I leave my final point, you may revisit page three.

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2009, 11:51:52 am »
I'm not a white Christian American, your point is moot, especially when you think it's racist to call someone a Nazi.

It's not a joke, it's not humour, it's a serious issue facing PS. If you want to hide it behind shutters of political correctness, you're really not prepared to address issues.

RP-elitists, from now on then? For the sake of dropping the sideline warfare over this topic and getting some real debating done, some real issues resolved?

As bloodedIrishman said, I know what a Nazi is, even before Lhaa sent me lovely pictures to remind me.

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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2009, 12:04:29 pm »
you people are disgusting.

might as well lock this thread now.

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« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2009, 02:32:05 pm »
it tarnishes your reputation.
hehe...didn't know I have a reputation to loose. I'm neither a very good roleplayer nor someone who plays for more than just his own fun. So I couldn't see how i earned myself any reputation.

i used to hold you guys in high regard, now i'm not too sure you should even be part of the osp (i think that's it).
Can't say much more than Lhaa here. There are for sure much better players for this out there...people who organize some events for all PS players each month...some dueling on the plaza comes to my mind there. And of course people who keep silent about things that upset them.

the point of this thread is that the players now (doesn't matter if they were or weren't like this in the past) are unwelcoming to new players who don't know how to rp. no one gives a crap about the "golden generation" anymore. akaiddo, for some reason, was comparing the generations as a theme to his post, but he didn't seem to realize that's irrelevant.
Sorry, I don't think I can agree here. When I started there wasn't a tutorial, the winch got just in place and players were in a way really lost when logging in the first time. I still remember that it took me more than a week to find the help channel not empty when I had a simple question. Nowadays the help channel is populated most of the time (at least during my online times) and the people there don't have the slightest problem, to help others OOCly. And I see it the same in game, maybe just not in main chat. What people see are mostly just the IC answers to anyone looking for the platinum mine or seeking help for a quest. Of course chars answer ICLy only to what they know. But the OOC tells are not seen by anyone. But of course there are some problems with this approach...at least how I do it. It happened pretty often lately that someone looking for help came by, asked and I still had to finish a longer line for another players. After posting the line in main I started to write an answer for the new player only to delete it again shortly before finishing it because the new player ran off. I can understand that waiting two minutes to even get recognized is a bit too much...but I am a slow typer. I tried to cope with this by at least a short greeting to show the new player that he is not ignored, but this doesn't always work. For the example of Akkaido...I really see no problem with a [No OOC in main without brackets] followed by some explanation in tells. In fact I think this is a pretty good way to handle it in my view. It makes sure that nobody gets annoyed by the new player and also helps the new player first to understand about the OOC in main and second by allowing him to ask all kind of stuff in tells without the need to bother about IC/OCC.

You don't frequent the same parts of PlaneShift as I do. When 0.5.00 was pre-released, I worked my furry butt off to get it working on my PC, and started reporting and helping with bugs. I took time out of my RPs and my time with my Clan to make sure this release got out as soon as I could help it. I'd call that contributing to the community, and the markets are on the way, along with other less-public events, it takes more than one person to build these things. And the Alliance is getting stronger, more people are joining.
Join a guild. I prefer to invite newbs quickly and make them feel involved, and if they stop playing anyway, to then remove them after an inactive period, than to be picky about recruits.
Nobody said you don't help new players...but it seems as if you think your way of helping is the only right way and that all others don't do anything at all. I guess it's hard for you to imagine that there are players who help everyone, even if he/she/kra doesn't join your guild. Or maybe even help players through the tutorial of which  they haven't the slightest clue if they are enkidukai or will stay for longer in the game. Or what kind of players they are...Roleplayer, PLers...something between. There isn't only one way helping the others,  but assuming that others don't help just because you don't like their attitude in the forums is...poor.

Note that there was a good five-ten minute awkward silence on my part upon entering the Den. I felt rather coldshouldered OOC, and then the smirk just made me less comfortable.
Yes there was...if I remember right you stood near the door for some time. That silence happen with all people who come in and stay near the door at first. It's a mechanical problem, the saying range is a bit...confusing. Most of the time a person standing on the elevation at the door doesn't hear what is said at the bar...but this is not always the case. So we started to only greet people who came down there...just to not get any confusion. It happened too often that we greeted someone and the people at the bar went along with it while the greeted person didn't even realize it.


And the term nazi should not be used lighthearted. Maybe it isn't understood that way by a lot people nowadays, but there are for sure still enough who get offended by it.

Edit: Typos
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Re: Saddening Attitudes.
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2009, 03:49:41 pm »
I have a day or so off and you lot start acting like a bunch of children, I've been playing PS longer than anyone who posted in this thread (except Phine who has me beat by a couple months) and its all cyclical sometimes its nice to newcomers sometimes not, sometimes the RP-nazis dominate sometimes not.
Instead of complaining in here get in game and try and  change the reception of newcomers yourselves, promote RP not by creating some huge dramatic "RP" but by interacting in character with newcomers and old players you don't have to save the world everyday.


To those who like to send disturbing images of atrocites there is more than one definition of nazi and if you try to enforce your definition on the rest of us what does that make you?
Definitions of nazi on the Web:

    * a German member of Adolf Hitler's political party
    * relating to or consistent with or typical of the ideology and practice of Nazism or the Nazis; "the total Nazi crime"; "the Nazi interpretation of ...
    * derogatory term for a person who is fanatically dedicated to, or seeks to control, some activity, practice, etc.
    * national socialist: relating to a form of socialism; "the national socialist party came to power in Germany in 1933"
      wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

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