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Vakachehk

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Re: haters gonna hate
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2010, 10:26:17 am »
I am not greedy! and I am not covering my ass either. Some people just assume. Assuming I don't like. So if you are going to assume things in front of me, expect me to get rather annoyed.

Uhhh how else would you RP a thief asking the person to rob them is like sending someone a letter saying "hey. Can I rob you next week on Monday" When people 'ask' its a game/RP/event ruiner in my own opinions and that is why I avoided saying anything OOC to the players.

So if I choose a Ultic in Ojaveda and place items in it. So then can people mess around with my objects? Well yes the ultic is on an open map, so was the guildhouse's having their doors unlocked made them open for any player to jump in.
You maybe roleplaying but you could still be OOC.

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« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2010, 10:38:16 am »
That's called not being able to tell the difference between OOC and IC and the difference between RPing and griefing. An ultic is public a guildhouse is not.

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Re: haters gonna hate
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2010, 10:39:18 am »
If the Guildhouse is unlocked it is public.
You maybe roleplaying but you could still be OOC.

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Re: haters gonna hate
« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2010, 10:45:55 am »
But the name on the guildhouse's sign and lock say differently.

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« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2010, 11:10:58 am »
What Sign post? Guild house 24? look Illysia, my actions were intended to be IC. That is it, get over it.
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« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2010, 11:18:21 am »
All the guildhouses are marked for which guild owns them... And ok fine, the GMs determined that it was still wrong. That's it, get over it. ;) Try not to use logic that applies to you too. :)

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« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2010, 11:20:52 am »
 On the issue of GH theivery.

 It is a bit of a shitty thing to do no? To justify an action as RP( and thus with good intentions) is a bit shitty as a response to what is most likely an OOC mistake.

 So what I mean is:

 The character Roberet did not leave the Imperial HQ GH open

  The forgetful player forgot to right click on the door and click lock.

May I point out that the Empire has never been Robbed :P.  Motto of the day: Right click and lock every trip. :P

(Oh and speaking of recovering Master Keys!!! *coughs*)
 

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« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2010, 11:25:21 am »
All the guildhouses are marked for which guild owns them... And ok fine, the GMs determined that it was still wrong. That's it, get over it. ;) Try not to use logic that applies to you too. :)

So how is having a name on a sign post making my actions OOC?

Well I disagree with the GMs there were assuming, no real facts to state what they assumed. I really don't care if I have an Ornate Galkard of Seduction or whatever.

@Roberet Goldsmith. Like I said earlier I should of placed books stating a little bit of evidence. My apologisies that I didn't. But still it does not make my actions OOC by not doing so.
You maybe roleplaying but you could still be OOC.

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« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2010, 11:30:54 am »
I'd explain Vaka but you are inherently not getting it so nevermind. Not my guild, not my stuff, not my ban. You and the GMs work that out... I'll can tell you now though that you won't be the one to come out on top of that debate. ;)

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Re: haters gonna hate
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2010, 11:33:25 am »
Uhhh how else would you RP a thief asking the person to rob them is like sending someone a letter saying "hey. Can I rob you next week on Monday" When people 'ask' its a game/RP/event ruiner in my own opinions and that is why I avoided saying anything OOC to the players.

Two nights ago, my character Tess was attacked.  The entire negotiation was handled like this:

(23:05:41) [Tell] XXXXX tells you: [are you OK with Tessra getting any/all of a) robbed, b) assaulted physically, c) killed?]
(23:06:23) [Tell] You tell XXXXX: [yup. im fine with it, as long as there's no raping]
(23:06:42) [Tell] XXXXX tells you: [yeah, that is not XXXXX's style. :p]

About an hour later, the attack happened, and played into a robbery and murder.  There was much talk and RP in between the agreement and the attack.  After the attack, we even discussed the possibility of a second one, and how my character would justifiably be wary of XXXXX again, and would have to be ambushed or snuck up on for it to work.  It was all handled quickly, and without giving too many details to ruin the fun of it.  

That being said, I don't really think Vaka should have been banned.  I did a few role-plays with Vieg, and he went AFK a lot.  It happens.  I can understand how it would appear to be disrespectful for someone to not reply, but dropping a banhammer without them even speaking a word in their defense is not cool in my opinion.  After all, it wasn't like it was some incredibly time sensitive thing.  The banning could have waited at least until there was confirmation from the player that they were even at their computer.  Had the GM needed to be elsewhere, messages could have been left for other GMs to handle it, the situation could have been put off to the next night, etc.  Personally, I really miss Vieg.  He was fun to play with, and my evil alt liked poking at him.  :devil:  

Perhaps it is because this was my first MMORPG, and I came in with very little in the way of expectations, but I haven't seen some of the problems with a lack of RP that others mention.  I can always find an RP if I want one.  I run four different characters, most people I see in game know that I'm both Teshia and Tessra, but I also have two "secret" alts that I don't tell many people about and use for when I want a change.  I am not ashamed to admit I level the heck out of Teshia.  To be able to play her in character, she has to have strong stats and an ability to duel, which means I spend hours in the arena or in Oja or wherever my trainers are.  It's something that has to be done to accommodate the PvP role-plays.  [Incidentally, can I just say I hate rolling dice with a passion?  I've done a bit of confrontational RP now, and if the players are both open-minded and mature about it, they will each take a share of hits, and dodge hits without the need for a die.]  But even with all the leveling, I still do a lot of role-play with her.  It is possible to do both.  Maybe I'm just really lucky to have found the people in game that I found, but I know so many wonderful role-players that I just don't see the lack of RP.

I will say, I find the link posted with the situation involving Lhaa to be somewhat disturbing.  I've got a lot of experience admin/modding on forums and one of the biggest rules that tends to go unspoken is that a GM/Mod/Admin should not be doing their job angry.  Being in that position is a thankless job.  You are always going to get criticized, blamed or vilified.  That doesn't mean you should lower your personal expectations and act to fit the things people will say.  Maybe there was more to the log than was posted, but using one set of [] to correct a typo certainly does not deserve even a friendly reminder.  While the GM in question might have spoken English, we cannot assume that everyone on the game speaks English well enough to be able to read typos.  Many people do not.  It is only polite to correct typos in a situation where those nearby might have trouble understanding them.  I mean, I can read basic Spanish, but if it were poorly typed, I guarantee you I would have trouble understanding what was being said.  It might not have been the best response to get in the GMs face about it... but I think the GM might have been a little zealous.  

Would it be totally lame to quote the Golden Rule here?   :-[ [Oh yeah... and this was just my verbose way of saying I agree with pretty much everything Sarras has said  :P ]
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Re: haters gonna hate
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2010, 11:56:53 am »
Am I that good at role-playing OOC :P

Vakachehk + Vieg = Same person OOC :)

But yes for an IC punishment I (Vakachehk) should not of gotten banned. But the punishment was not done ICly and the GMs would not allow me to RP it.

But that is the way it is so, I will wait out my ban, I don't know if I want to keep playing or not. I have already got an interest into another MMORPG coming soon.
You maybe roleplaying but you could still be OOC.

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« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2010, 12:06:10 pm »
I'm not sure you're getting it. Roberet and Irish explained it pretty well. We can subjectively justify your ban because the person (player) who forgot to lock the Guild house might have done so because of OOC reasons (suddenly log off, mother yelling at him to hurry, etc) and you didn't ask before intervening. Maybe in another game you would  be right. Here you're not.

It's not a big deal. Just wait out a bit, sigh and get back at it. :D
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« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2010, 12:22:04 pm »
uhhh... I am not going to do a massive investigation before hand. I would much rather play it as an RP game in which no one knows OOCly who it is and no one knows ICly who it is. So you really really need to work hard to catch them in the action.
You maybe roleplaying but you could still be OOC.

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« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2010, 03:00:44 pm »
What's clearly amiss is a juristic document here, and juristic understanding and acting performed by the GMs. Of course there are fights over RL laws as well, but after all, it's clear rules and boundaries. If something like that isn't present, we can see what we witness here:

Player1: "I think ..."
GM1: "Nope, in my opinion..."
Player2: "No, I think that totally..."
GM2: "No seriously, it's exactly as Player1 said, imho."

With clear, juristical documents and understanding we would boil down to:

Player1: "I think ..."
GM1: "Nope, rules say the following: ..."
Player2: "But, I think that..."
GM2: "That's not what the rules say."

I.e., GMs would agree with each other, and Players would have a clear reference to compare their explanation to. There would still be fights, but more about improving the rules than about who is wrong or not.

Clear rules don't mean restriction. They mean control and order.

I am clearly not one to do everything just because a rule says so. But if it is clear I broke a rule, I will except punishment. And I think I'm not the only one who works like this.

What we need, is a clear, unambiguous and complete set of juristic rules that are known and understood by both the GMs and the players.*

I am not saying that to get attention or to pour falka into the fire. This is just my opinion and if GMs want to stop all the fightin' and hatin', I think this is absolute top priority.

Once again: I think partial, contradicting or deprecated rules are counterproductive or even destructive.

Just my 5 cents. Keep on hating o/

* Edit: Note that I'm not saying "agreed upon". But GMs need to enforce the rules nevermind their personal opinion, if they don't they need to be punished as well. This is the only way it can work, imho.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2010, 03:08:11 pm by derula »

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« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2010, 03:37:32 pm »
I agree that the person was wrongfully dealt with, hence my quote of the gaming policy. I was just trying to say that the way the link was presented, I saw it as an attempt to discredit all GMs.
Everyone can have a bad day once in a while. And as we all know, the best solution wasn't to then respond in ways that could potentially be seen as snarly.

would you make that excuse for a cop out of line? a bad day?  :thumbdown:

I was going to make my statement clearer, but others (derula & Tessra) have said it better than I could've done already :)
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