ARRRRRAHHHGGHK

[Vakachehk]

so why does my noob alt also get 1?

Because PlaneShift is too hard to play, and the devs want to put that problem under a mat and bring in new shiny stuff to cover it, and make 'progress'.

...because GMs nut off at you if you use magic.

That is truly terrifying; I shall never EVER use magic on a tefusang.

it is, especially since you might need them for RP reasons, it is rather stupid unless you do it by using terrain out of the city, where no GM goes

[Sarva]

Using terrain out in the wilds is perfectly acceptable. As has been mentioned before the Arena is a special situation. And having just started a new character when it comes to training trias are harder to get than Pps, especially for a character that refuses to touch a rockpick or do crafting.

[Vakachehk]

I disagree with that, PPs are far more harder to come across than Trias, in my own experience.
Then the Tefusangs in the arena have no use, do they?

[Earowo]

Using terrain out in the wilds is perfectly acceptable. As has been mentioned before the Arena is a special situation. And having just started a new character when it comes to training trias are harder to get than Pps, especially for a character that refuses to touch a rockpick or do crafting.

Sarva, I personally, am one of those people who refuses to touch a rockpick or craft, and i earn enough tria, to support me, and any help my guild members may need, tria is far easier to gain then pp, especially since kikiri loot is worth 30X more then rat loot, even though they are weaker. -hint-
back in 4.03 i earned all my money from ulbernuats, i usually kept a balance of 100k, since i usually give 30-50k to members who are new to PS, today i use gladiators, and keep a balance of 200k, still giving the same ammount to new people.
PP is way harder to get.
not for me, but for a noob, yes

[Sarva]

Well with my new character I have gotten to level 60 in axes, level 25 in HA and shields trained two physical stats to max CW to level 11. I have over 7,000 PPs banked away and the only reason I have plenty of trias right now is due to getting some financial help from another character. BEfore I had maxed my second physical stat there was a certain mob in the sewers that would pay off about 70 PPs and several other mobs that paid in the 10-20 PP range. Now I am at the point I can get way more Pps than trias by fighting Trepors or Riverlings which give me 50+ PPs a pop

[Sarras Volcae]

when did you start using this new character and how long do you play each day?

[Tessra]

I'd like to point out, the tefusangs in the arena are not impossible to kill without using magic. I started killing them with axe and heavy armor at around level 70 HA/axe.  I don't even have to run away from them, I can stand there and let them hit me now, and with good HA, I don't take any damage.  I hunt tefus all the time for guildies who need skins, but cant get them on their own. 

And Sarras, a lot of us tried making recommendations to you in gossip.  I would recommend you find someone with a energy glyph, and let them stand next to you while you grind a few levels of axe/daggers.  I got my first 20 levels of axe that way, with Eelin standing next to me and healing me as I hit mobs that were too strong for me to kill.  Kill enough rats to get the PP for your training, group with a fighter, and then go kill a big mob.  A lot of people who are on at the times you are on would be willing to do that to help you get started up again. 

[Sarva]

I started my new character on Oct 8th and have a total of 78 hours in game with that character but he has been in a position to easily earn more PPs than he needs for over a week. And yes this is a character who had real problems killing a rat at first. The hardest part for this character I started was getting through the tutorial since he had a str of under 50 and no melee and killing the tutorial rats without a weapon took for freaking ever.

The one other best tip for helping a new character get started is get your hands on some good Q weapons. You don't need 300Q weapons but anything from 150+ in weapon Q really does help and like I said before ignore your physical stats in the beginning and just concentrate on weapon and armor skills ( and now shield maybe instead of armor) since if you are looking for PPs the lower your physical stats the better.

[Earowo]

And yes this is a character who had real problems killing a rat at first. The hardest part for this character I started was getting through the tutorial since he had a str of under 50 and no melee and killing the tutorial rats without a weapon took for freaking ever.

yeeaaahhh, the guy in the tutorial, that wants you to kill the rats, sells daggers, so that was a bad move on 'your' part

[Vakachehk]

Sarva what you need to take in account, is this is a complaint, not a "I need help, hint me in the right direction"

[Kiraki]

Sarras:  The problem is your using swords and light armor, as things are currently, if you want to be able to kill things easily you either need to train axes and HA or train CW/RW.  If you have a character that does not use magic or one that does not make use of HA and axes you are doomed to struggle or be stuck killing smaller things if you want it easy.

But cheer up, things were not always this way and they will most likely not stay this way. 

[RlyDontKnow]

Sarva what you need to take in account, is this is a complaint, not a "I need help, hint me in the right direction"

and that's a reason to not post reasonable replies?
a complaint is not a blind flame

[Sarras Volcae]

are you suggesting this is a bind flame?

[RlyDontKnow]

are you suggesting this is a bind flame?

no, but if posting related recommendations is considered off-topic, it's a bit off, isn't it?

imo Sarva and Tessra made some quite good examples that killing the NPCs isn't that hard and fairly possible.
however, it can be quite hard if you keep (probably unintentionally) making bad choices (e.g. kill the wrong NPCs for your weapon train, forget to train armor, train stats first, don't get a weapon that matches your level, ...), so if you have issues figuring things out yourself, it's not a shame to ask others and I know there are many people ingame and also around this forum that know a lot how to build up a new character very fast.

[Sarva]

Any game is going to be hard if you don't take the time to figure out what works and what doesn't work. One issue with Planeshift is since the game is still being developed changes are begin made all the time. That means what use to work even a few months ago, in terms of leveling a character quickly, may not work today. As an example I found out a few days ago that once again my player character is able to kill Ulbers and Marfusangs using swords ( max sword level) again, which I haven't been able to do for quite a while. The mobs I used to level my most recent character are different from the mobs I used to level the character the time before that. since the game is changing you can't just go into auto pilot in order to advance a new character. If what you did in the past isn't working well then try new things and find out what works well not. This doesn't mean that the game has gotten harder, just means different things work better now than what worked in the past.