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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2003, 08:15:30 pm »
Thank you. :rolleyes:
Maybe one day we will meet in the game too.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2003, 09:17:21 pm »
For the translation can all the french player or user contact me at
babyenchere at yahoo.fr
Thanks i\'d like to make an official translation or a official server thanks
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2003, 06:53:27 pm »
eupholis >

Official server : http://www.planeshift.it/download_servers.html <-- Check that.

Official translation :
Bad idea. Make your own server and do an unofficial translation instead.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2003, 03:27:38 pm »
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Originally posted by eupholis
For the translation can all the french player or user contact me at
babyenchere at yahoo.fr
Thanks i\'d like to make an official translation or a official server thanks


I\'m french too, but I think it\'s too soon to make a french version + server. The game is still unfinished, and not likely to attract many people. A french server would only drain people from the official server. I think it may be a good idea, but only when the game is finished (or at least fully playable) and when the main server is overcrowded. Then there will be a need for more servers, and a french one would be a good idea, and likely to attract enough players.

edit : Actually, I think for now it would be a better Idea to make a french site to help french players, with translation of all the docs, help for the quests for which you need english, and a french help forum. And a french guild in the game, so that french users would be able to talk and play with other french players, and get help from the ones who also speak English who would act as interpreters.

PS : I say \"French\" because that\'s the only one I could contribute to, but of course that applies to any other language.

PPS : See my idea on how different languages could co-exist on the same server, and add to the roleplay
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2003, 01:58:45 am »
French french french french... Why do french people thing they own the world with them and their silly little language. Take a much bigger language like spanish. If I\'m not really mistaken there are QUITE at few more people who speak spanish, or at least understand it. Let me mention a few countries I can think of without hurting my head too much.. Spain, of course, argentina, brazil, portugal, and some countries sorrounding these... Or what about chinese? I mean, if chinese isn\'t more used than french is, then someone, please slap me. My point? French people are, in general, very selfish. Try thinking of other people, and learn some other language than your own. Please. Same goes with spanish people whom I don\'t really like either. :P

Anywho, creating a whole new site, forum and what-so-ever just to please the french people is a very - VERY - bad idea. Why? Let me tell you. At least 95% of the people on these boards (a few thousand if I\'m not mistaken) understand english well enough to sign up, and post. That includes french people. So, if you guys are smart enough to post on the - yuck - english forums, why even bother making a forum just for frenchies, where noone except french people understand anything? I mean, at least here everyone knows what\'s going on, and it\'s not some closed society.... Oh look at me, just babbling on about some nonsense stuff. I think I\'ll stop here. :P
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2003, 02:21:42 am »
Wooo, go Grono! :))
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2003, 09:06:54 am »
Ideally language could be addressed in such a way that there is no division in the community.

An initial option screen could displayed where people could choose their first language. They could also tick all other languages which they would like to have automatically translated into their first language. Whenever any messages were sent to the client in one of the selected languages, it could then give a crude translation. It would know what language other players were speaking by what they had chosen as their first language. The system would know messages from NPCs are always in English. Perhaps eventually human-translated versions of the NPCs\' messages could be substituted in important cases. If an english speaker who knows Spanish also knew they were speaking to a Spanish speaker, they could hold shift when they enter their messages or some such so that they can circumvent any attempt at translation by the other\'s client.

We know the such can be done but it would probably require someone to come to the party who has the skills applied in such cases as babelfish, http://www.free-translation.com and so fouth....
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2003, 09:30:45 am »
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French french french french... Why do french people thing they own the world with them and their silly little language. Take a much bigger language like spanish. If I\'m not really mistaken there are QUITE at few more people who speak spanish, or at least understand it. Let me mention a few countries I can think of without hurting my head too much.. Spain, of course, argentina, brazil, portugal, and some countries sorrounding these... Or what about chinese? I mean, if chinese isn\'t more used than french is, then someone, please slap me. My point? French people are, in general, very selfish. Try thinking of other people, and learn some other language than your own. Please. Same goes with spanish people whom I don\'t really like either.


As I said, What I\'d like is to see every language represented, but unfortunately I can\'t speak for spanish people, who are definitely more than us, because I\'m french, sorry about that.
Now you\'re absolutely right on 1 thing : French people are lazy and selfish, and most of us don\'t know how to speak English, and that\'s a shame (I agree with you, and was not offended because I\'m one of those who can speak English, at least enough to post on those boards). But anyway, the fact is, playing the game for a few hours, I saw 2 french guys lost because they didn\'t understand anything, and not one guy speaking spanish... maybe french pple are more attracted to this game or, more likely, spanish people can speak English.

So my point is, why wouldn\'t some Spanish speak Spanish (even if they could speak english) ? you know, just for roleplay (ok ok, I\'m advertising for my post lol). I think it could either :
1- Totally ruin the game, with communities of gamers playing only with each other because they speak the same language, and ignoring the others.
2- A world war, each country creating it\'s own guild, and different countries fighting each other through guild wars.
3- Add something really fun and interesting to the game, with different communities working together, using interpreters, and progressively learning each other\'s language while having fun.

1 would be a total failure, and 2 would be fun for a time, but it would eventually become boring, and internet is not supposed to divide countries. But I\'d like to believe that if we have good proportions of people from each country, with a few pple who speak 2 or more languages, and of course a vast majority of english speaking players, and if everyone is smart enough, and capable of a little roleplay, it\'s possible for all these communities to co-exist.


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a french guild in the game, so that french users would be able to talk and play with other french players, and get help from the ones who also speak English who would act as interpreters.


That was definitely a bad idea, since it would encourage my scenari No 1 and No 2. I had a look at the BISM website last night, and I think we need something like that : an association of non-english players who would help each other, while encouraging everyone to join a guild, integrate to the community, and maybe even learn english.

As I said on the other language thread, I don\'t really WANT everyone to speak their own language. and I\'m not the one who started this. But you have to admit that people do want to speak their language. on this thread for french, and that one for german (btw, it\'s true they should stick to english in the forums... oopps, my sig  :-)). Besides, most of them don\'t read the forum, they just download the game, connect, and whine because they don\'t understand what everyone is saying.
Now that we know that we do have some guys who will play using their language, we have 2 solutions I can think of :
-we forbid that, shout \"English please\" when we hear french or german, and wait for them to get tired of it and find a french/german only game.
-We accept that and try to make it part of the roleplay.

Of course, this would only be a temporary solution, and a test. After all, both the game and the community is in pre-alpha testing, so if we want to try these kind of things, we should do it now, not when the game will be finished.
And if it doesn\'t work, non-english players will eventually stop playing, play in english, or try to make their own servers.
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2003, 10:54:02 am »
Well, I think this language stuff is absolutely not required NOW. I am Hungarian, and I don\'t cry for Hungarian translation - now you probably think \"You can say that, because Hungary is a small little (don\'t even know where it is) country - who the hell would care about it.\"

I think Gronomist is right. This language stuff is not needed NOW. Maybe a few years later, when other things will be ready, but NOT NOW!

If the game is english-only, then the players will be forced to learn english - just as I, or any other PlaneShifter today. I have also found a lost french player - I couldn\'t help him. :(
They should really learn english some day.

Again, I agree with the translations - but not now. Later.

Be happy, the game is free. It is typical. When something is free, IT IS NEVER ENOUGH. People want EVERYTHING to be in the game. The word FREE is never enough... Be patient.

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2003, 10:08:10 pm »
This is just one of these typical things that \"all\" french people say - Well, it\'s not un-common. \"All french people\" allways say they are smart. Sure sure, I know a few french people who are smart, but please - If these french people are smart, how come they didn\'t ask themself the question \"If I download this game, will I even be able to understand and play it?\" .. I don\'t get it. I mean, how can these french/spanish/chinese/hungarian/whatever speaking people expect not to be lost when downloading an english game, and if they don\'t know a single word of english besides yes / no ??? Please! Answer that question! I _SO_ want to know that. It would be like walking into an american TV-shop, demanding them to speak japanese because you can\'t speak spanish with a bad finnish accent, since your mom was half hungarian and you never knew your dad who was 3/4th spanish with a mom from greenland or.... No wait... Just forget that :rolleyes:
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2003, 10:49:20 pm »
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This is just one of these typical things that \"all\" french people say


what is \"this\" ?( (no sarcasm, I really don\'t understand). Anyway, ten minutes ago there was a guy on the server who connected and asked if there were french people immediatly (not even asking in english), so there definitely are some people downloading the game and connecting although they don\'t speak english...

Why ? I have absolutely no idea ! lol :p

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It would be like walking into an american TV-shop, demanding them to speak japanese because you can\'t speak spanish with a bad finnish accent, since your mom was half hungarian and you never knew your dad who was 3/4th spanish with a mom from greenland

And you know what ? the NTSC TV wouldn\'t even work with his PAL VCR :D
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2003, 11:47:15 pm »
our guild Circle of Legends has a few only french speaking ppl.. Deedelito helps since they speak french we even have a french section on the forum
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2003, 02:15:08 am »
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I mean, how can these french/spanish/chinese/hungarian/whatever speaking people expect not to be lost when downloading an english game.

Well, that was a bit rude, Grono, no? What is your nationality?
BTW To my best knowledge - there are only TWO (2) Hungarian players in PlaneShift - one of them is ME. And we BOTH can speak english. Hungarians know exactly, that noboy understands us in the rest of Europe, so nearly all of us can speak at least English or German (mostly English). So we are an exception to that!!! (Yes, I know, I sound selfish and.... now, but hey, I NEVER said I cannot speak english).

Besides, I begin to see, that BlueScreenJunky is only trying to help OTHER french PlaneShifters. He is not doing this for himself... And other french people probably hope, that there is a guy like BlueScreenJunky in the game, who will help them, THAT\'S why probably even those french download the game, who cannot speak english well.
So, again Grono, there exist other nationalitys apart from that \"WHATEVER\"! What is your nationality?

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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2003, 07:56:33 am »
I am hoping to do some work on real-time chat translation before CB comes out.  The goal here would not be to actually write a \"smart\" translator (computer scientists have wasted decades on that), but to write a \"stupid\" translator which would handle the most frequently used phrases and words--with the ONLY goal being to allow people who don\'t share a language to be able to be in a combat group together effectively.

If you think about it, the things people say when fighting in groups are very standard:  Incoming, Heal me! Coming in from the left!  I died fast that time!  etc.

I believe by keeping the goals not too ambitious, we can make something which is better than nothing and not too much work to implement.

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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2003, 08:58:19 am »
Okay, so we might have some translation, wether it\'s an automatic translation or a roleplay one. Now about the Client, I don\'t have any compiler and I can\'t code, so I won\'t be the one translating it, but is it possible to connect to an official server with a modified client ?
The problem would be that it would allow you to cheat, but I think it\'s possible to allow only language files to be modified.

I also read on the news that new servers were ( already ? o_O ) planned, so we could have one multilingual server. But I think we\'ve got plenty of time before the first one is full.

PS : once again I know it is too soon to bother with those translations and multi server things, but eh, the game itself is not so exciting right now, so all we can do is talk about it...
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