In-game paper issues

[verden]

So nobody actually came down on her, because nothing had happened, and a possible future consideration was spoken of concerning if, in the future, another player took exception to what was printed about them. So she deleted her character because of something that might happen in the future and might have an impact on the newspaper?

[novacadian]

So she deleted her character because of something that might happen in the future and might have an impact on the newspaper?

My guess, from past experiences with Raikana, is that you are correct, Verden.

- Nova

[Dannae]

I think part of the RP experience includes allowing a player's character to suffer the consequences of their in-game IC actions, whether or not they like it. It all adds to the realism in my opinion. If they do something newsworthy and someone else knows of it IC, then they have no say in how others talk of it or publish their actions in a paper. To me, the harassment is objecting to other characters who were either involved in, overhead or saw this players actions being warned not to speak of it. If the players actions deserve harassment, then they should receive it as long as it all stays IC. I don't believe this matter arose from a hypothetical situation. Before players RP something, they need to realize they will be held responsible for their actions.

[novacadian]

Dannae, my feeling is that it is not so cut and dried as that when it comes to a publicly sold journal. For the record no complaints were made by me concerning the Journal; though Raikana has sent, what was considered by me, harassing tells and a pm. The player called me rude and a snob, ooc, because my character was upset by a deal that was broken between our two characters.

It was also a bit troubling that an interview conducted for the Journal was published in an edited form. More sound bites than what was intended by my character's comments. From all of these experiences it seems clear that given unhindered leeway to publish whatever she wants could be a very great potential for harassment.

Only recently was my character contacted by a staff of the Journal for another interview. When my character agreed on condition that my replies to each question they chose to publish be published in it's entirety (agreeing to keep my replies to a maximum number of words if they wanted) they were not heard from again.

My feeling is that someone wanted to stir up bad feelings between Talad worshippers and Laanx worshippers.

So the press is a powerful medium both in RL and IC. If one can publish whatever they want without regard to consequences, then such publication can do a disservice rather than a service.

 In RL we have the court of laws to sue publications for defamation of character. IC we have GMs. If Raikana can't live with that then perhaps she should retire.

- Nova

[Edit: P.S. It is my hope that the present staff of the Journal will continue with publication. The Journal, itself, is a great addition to RP. It just should be understood that they must abide by the rules that all others are subject to. ]

[Sarras Volcae]

So she deleted her character because of something that might happen in the future and might have an impact on the newspaper?

My guess, from past experiences with Raikana, is that you are correct, Verden.

- Nova

i have to agree with this. was going to post something rly lengthy yesterday but lost it since my internet crapped out.... but it seems like everything i was going to say was already posted.

i think the GMs did everything right and raikana simply overreacted, like usual. i've had similar experiences with her as nova had. she doesn't have a grasp of the gap between ic and ooc.

[Mekora]

For those that don't know what the copies are like, I might post one of the newpapers on the forum with Raikana's permission of course.

[Earowo]

things is about news, IRL the news is always tweaked, news people do that to get more readers, they will get a story, and edit 'here and there' to make it 'better' its illegal, yes, but nobody ever does anything about it, what reason shouldnt that be the case in game as well? Obviously there is no law against it IC

somtimes its all about point of view as well, so take that under consideration, if your interviewd by anyone.

[novacadian]

Earowo, if my character started printing and selling a HOWTO for Winch Access the GMs would rightfully tell me to stop it and likely ban me for some time if not forever. That is because my character would be breaking a rule by revealing spoilers. If you print harassing information in a public newspaper then they would have the same right. Just because you are RPing a newspaper does not make one free from the rules that others must comply with. Because Raikana does not want to keep that in mind, when she is RPing, is her problem; no one else's.

Hopefully the new administration of the Journal will be RP friendly enough to get permission before publishing about someone. Most folks would be flattered to be written about. Those that don't want to be; then leave them out of it. Sounds pretty simple to me.

- Nova

[confused]

Don't put your hopes in seeing the journal again. Raikana was the Journal in PS. Raikana did almost everything in each issue of the Journal. Just face it. The moaners killed off the journal that was stimulating RPing.

[novacadian]

Don't put your hopes in seeing the journal again. Raikana was the Journal in PS. Raikana did almost everything in each issue of the Journal. Just face it. The moaners killed off the journal that was stimulating RPing.

Hey, it is a damn good business. My character dumped almost 10k of tria into it. If no one picks up the ball perhaps Venorel will. She is an avid author and cunning businesswoman. At least she will know how to treat her customers. 

Until someone can tell me different my bet is that no one moaned but Raikana.

- Nova

[Earowo]

TBH If Nova were selling the paper, i wouldnt be intrested anymore.

and a cunning businesswoman.

Business, usually = boring. i like raikanas stories, and her puzzles, you couldnt get anything that good if you tried.

[ohforf]

Don't put your hopes in seeing the journal again. Raikana was the Journal in PS. Raikana did almost everything in each issue of the Journal. Just face it. The moaners killed off the journal that was stimulating RPing.

Hey, it is a damn good business. My character dumped almost 10k of tria into it. If no one picks up the ball perhaps Venorel will. She is an avid author and cunning businesswoman. At least she will know how to treat her customers. 

Until someone can tell me different my bet is that no one moaned but Raikana.

- Nova

You got to be kidding... 50 copies a week, 250 tria each = 12500 tria.
Thats approx. what i make from 2 refined iron Stocks or 1 good Helmet.

I miss her already. 

[Durgrem]

and the GMs lacking common sense to do a proper investigation on whether the information published is IC or OOC. IC can be information obtained from any other character in game, that has obtained the "generally" OOC information via IC encounters. Simply declaring that the information is OOC is not enough, proof needs to be provided to show that the OOC information has not become IC information along the way with other characters.

As Sarva said, was the discussion not if something was ooc or ic.
We came across some complaint (of course an ooc complaint) about published information.  We offered repeatedly, that both sides of this and any ooc-dispute with another are welcome to come to us, so that we can talk to both sides and calm the issue down.
This offer was never accepted. Instead, only the own opinion counted. While that's a valid decision for a player, gms can't just give a "do whatever you want"-permission to a player without considering what this could mean to another player.
We never got to the point to talk to both sides to decide if it was ok or not ok to publish it.

[LigH]

What a pity that some people don't trust friends being able to mediate, listen to both sides, and find compromises.

There was no reason to leave, Raikana. Not if you had been looking for friends to share your doubts before doing the last step.

I can easily imagine a case so hard that the Settings won't allow it to be published (details about Black Flame and all related things); if the mentioned reason was not half as serious, there was not half as much reason to let your friends down over it.

Well - the Knowledge Seekers will keep their issues in their library. You did something great.

[Sarva]

After reading  a copy of edition 10 of the paper I have to admit I'm even more confused about what the problem was in this dispute.

Right in the paper is this message.

Note to readers,

If you find your name mentioned here an you are not agreement with it please accept our apologies and communicate it to the editor , your name will not be used anymore in further editions of the newspaper.

If this policy is true and actually active then it seems Raikana would be allowing people to dictate what could and couldn't be printed in the paper since any individual  to opt out of being mentioned in the paper.  But the stated desire to have freedom of the press where no one could dictate what could appear in the paper seems to be in opposition to the policy published in the paper. I can see where problems would come up if the policy published in the paper wasn't being followed and people were being put into the paper after they had asked, per the policy published in the paper, not to appear in the paper.