In-game paper issues

[Mekora]

Yeah, I know Raikana better then most, and you wouldn't believe how much time, effort, and talent went into the journal. If you think that anyone can just whip up a journal and make it really nice, then chances are you are wrong. Also, G&TJ isn't coming back unless Raikana does. Sorry.

[verden]

Character deletion is always an extreme response. For some reason, I am thinking of the Judean Peoples Front Suicide Squad.

[Dannae]

Nova, thanks for filling us in a bit more about the issue and I do agree with the points you made to an extent. However, I think in these kinds of situations, it could make for real good RP to work out problems and possibly come to compromises IC rather than going for quick and easy intervention by GMs. Even if it comes to an all out war with groups backing both sides of a situation, think of the fun it could lead to.

GM involvement should only have to come into play when and if matters escalate to OOC harassment. I've seen too many times where players get into disagreements and resort to ooc to discuss or try to get things worked out, but in doing so miss out on the potential for really moving emotional RP. I don't approve of the alleged ooc remarks made to you and would not hesitate to request GM help in that event.

In the situation Nova describes, I don't know if the initial request to withhold the story from printing came ooc or ic, but could have been fun to fight it all out ic. If no compromises could be agreed to, then possibly a counter paper or flyer could have been distributed or even a boycott of the paper started. There's so many ic ways to handle things like this that would really make our little virtual world feel more like a real community if only players were willing to stay ic and fight for their beliefs there. Not all the RP has to be about killings and kidnappings and demon monsters with a taste for brains.

[Raikana]

First of all thanks to those that are showing to the forum their interest for the "G&T Journal Operation" as example of free press, my apologies goes to those who are suffering for the death (or should i say sleep? I happily see there are other editors ready to take my place... ) of the journal. I also apologize for the outburst and the "shouted words " instead of my usual "pampered words". I hope you can forgive this temperamental idealist. Now let's try to enlighten this situation.



My first answer goes to Talad. I saw him very confused (like many of you) and i want to answer in the best way i can:

Hi,
may I have a quote in here of the part of the paper which was considered OOC by another player and was asked not to be published and considered harassment?

If it's really so sensitive, send it to me via a personal message.

It was not a ready article, but one that had to be written (or maybe not). Was something about Sulaika, which, among other things, gave her consent to publish the article despite the admonitions of Mishka. To tell the truth, it was not the first time that Mishka tried to stop the paper from writing the news but this is not the exact point. Many people are convinced all this is about Mishka; nothing can be more wrong. It's absolutely not about her.

Please try to understand that the problem is not about a single article or a single person, but about the "harassment" rules themselves and maybe, in some way, about the "robotic way" to solve the problems adopted by the masters: worshipping the rules instead of using them.



I'll try to explain my point of view by answering to the various posts made so far. Perhaps among all the "posters", Sarva can help me to clarify the main points of my argument, as we shall see more ahead.



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Immediately after, i would like to answer to Boeven, whose words were the spring that made me decide to invest this additional time for the good of every player.

Never let the anger take the helm, it's useless. We suppose to be a community, the GMs too. We can discuss, we need to discuss, for the sake of the game and the fun. I'm glad to hear that you badly wanted the freedom to RP speech, and I'm with you.

Your words have spurred me to make one last attempt. Let's try to follow the path of the peaceful discussion like yo suggest. With the help of the staff and the players, I hope we can do it.

I will try to expose with calm (and a pinch of mordacity) the reasons of my apparently sudden rage and to do so, I will investigate the issues and arguments with the utmost honesty.

What the heck, from my point of view, you had more than a choice: asking safely about the problem, raising the question to the top and firmly explain your position. Every rule need to be quietly pondered, with open mind. That's part of the fun. If the response was against you, you could RP a changing behaviour, that's for sure. Ever searching the fun. Or you could leave us alone without your precious support, because of a sparkle of anger. No more fun.
I'm sorry to see that you seem to have chosen the easy way, as dozens of players before you.

From what I saw, I got the impression that the reactionary climax of the game does not allow major changes coming from below, from the "commoners", from the players. I really hope I'm wrong. To prove you my goodwill, i'll follow your advice and raise the problem with no anger. To solve it.

Edit: I need to add this... (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party) - Beastie Boys

 "You Gotta Fight for Your Right"? ... this fight just started my friend!
 

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Right... is time to deep into the topic.

The GMs only discussed general principals with Raikana and noted that there could be an issue of harassment and that the feelings of other players should be taken into account when deciding what to print in the paper. As was stated we are a community and the feelings of everyone in the community should be taken into account.

The first question should be: What is an harassment?
Lets ask to wikipedia:
"Harassment covers a wide range of offensive behaviour. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset. In the legal sense, it is behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing."

Oh well... lets explore the meaning of this word and see what it has in common with publishing an article in a newspaper.
Definition 1: "A behaviour intended to disturb or upset".
Is an article "intended to disturb"? Or it's just a service useful to the comunity, "intended to help"? Or, as Urriro says, we shall be considered "terrorists of helping"?
Definition 2: "A behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.".
In my humble opinion, is a major threat and a major disturb the one caused by an individual citizen to the community, by blocking an article for vanity, then the opposit. Did i explain myself?

I'll try again.

A simple individual should not be able stop the printing of a newspaper that serves the entire community through a simple: "[don't publish!]". In this case is greater than the inconvenience he causes to the community that the inconvenience the community causes to him. Technically speaking, HE would be harassing the community.

Some of you could say that wikipedia is not an authoritative source... maybe you are right, who knows. That's why i'll ask for help to the law. I wish that will be enough authoritative...

Under the United States Code Title 18 Subsection 1514(c)1, for example, "harassment" is defined as:
"A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such a person and serves no legitimate purpose".

Pay attention to the postulation: " [...] and serves no legitimate purpose". What do you think... A newspaper has a legitimate purpose? I personally think it's purpose is legitimated by a strong majority of players, as everybody (or "quite" everybody) can confirm and as we can see from this thread.


Urriro expressed the idea in such a simple way, that i could never say it better:

The rule about harassment is good but cant be applied to a newspaper.In RL some countries have equal in they law. But it will not prevent the publishing of news. When I drive drunk and kill someone with my car it will be published in many newspapers and I can't do anything against it.

After all these considerations, I can only think that "harassing" is not the ideal concept to describe the search for truth made for the citizens by a publicly respected group.

To me it seemed like Raikana wanted a blanket approval to print what ever she wanted in the paper not matter what the feelings of anyone else might be. [...] Giving a blanket approval to print anything Raikana might want could open the door to someone being stalked by reporters from the paper and I'm sure not may [many?] here would like that as part of their game experience.

This is a simplification of the concept, which makes me smile bitterly.
I have always respected the sentiments of everyone. The one who asked me not to appear in the newspaper, has seen fulfilled his desire. Who asked me to write in the paper anonymously, has got what he asked. The newspaper does not want the absolute right to write whatever, tyrannizing indiscriminately! It only asks to not have to throw away good articles, or even worst, to risk the BAN because of the whims of a single player.

These shallow arguments you bring only prove that you do not know what the Guilds & Traders Journal is. Apparently not only you've never read it, but probably you've not even read the guidelines, posted at the beginning of this thread. My advice is: read the journal and it's philosophy before to make such degrading assumptions like: "To me it seemed like Raikana wanted a blanket approval to print what ever she wanted".


While finishing the work on this post, i saw this new message from you... let's see it:

After reading  a copy of edition 10 of the paper I have to admit I'm even more confused about what the problem was in this dispute.

Right in the paper is this message.

Note to readers,

If you find your name mentioned here an you are not agreement with it please accept our apologies and communicate it to the editor , your name will not be used anymore in further editions of the newspaper.

If this policy is true and actually active then it seems Raikana would be allowing people to dictate what could and couldn't be printed in the paper since any individual  to opt out of being mentioned in the paper.  But the stated desire to have freedom of the press where no one could dictate what could appear in the paper seems to be in opposition to the policy published in the paper. I can see where problems would come up if the policy published in the paper wasn't being followed and people were being put into the paper after they had asked, per the policy published in the paper, not to appear in the paper.

You seem to be very hurried to judge, too much, if I may point it out. Read again please:
"If you find your name mentioned here an you are not agreement with it please accept our apologies and communicate it to the editor , your name will not be used anymore in further editions of the newspaper."
As i said above:
"The one who asked me not to appear in the newspaper, has seen fulfilled his desire. Who asked me to write in the paper anonymously, has got what he asked."

There is a substantial difference between "Ask not to publish a name" and "Ask not to publish an article" and i'm surprised once again that a Master can not grasp the obvious difference. This comment, frankly, is as useless as deeply wrong.

Let me try to explain it again:
Respect for the individual is out of question. I have widely demonstrated that my newspaper was respectful of everyone. The policy (as it is logical) DON'T ensure the right to stop the printing of an article, it ensure the right do don't have your NAME on that article. Again. Anyone who officially requested anonymity, got it!


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RELAX

At this point, my post may look like one of the many articles of our beloved newspaper, a sort of new section titled: "The editor replies". This may be partly true, given the nature of the topics covered and the diligence that I'm trying to keep in their treatment (clearly this is an allegory because the newspaper was, is and always should be only IC, dealing always and only with IC topics).
If this were true, this one would be a kind of "tenth and a half issue", a sort of "Twilight Zone" of PlaneShifts's Journalism. In that case we should not miss the section dedicated to relax and jokes... right? Well...it would have been a problem to find time to laugh in this rueful climax, if our priceless Nova and Sarras had not decided to give us moments of intense exhilaration. Let's see:


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Earowo, if my character started printing and selling a HOWTO for Winch Access the GMs would rightfully tell me to stop it and likely ban me for some time if not forever. That is because my character would be breaking a rule by revealing spoilers. If you print harassing information in a public newspaper then they would have the same right.

How can you remain indifferent in front of such overwise adduction? Another good question is: While we're at it, why not to compare the topic of "independent press" to printing a porn magazine or to printing the book "10 steps to destroy the Otharchy"?


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Don't put your hopes in seeing the journal again. Raikana was the Journal in PS. Raikana did almost everything in each issue of the Journal. Just face it. The moaners killed off the journal that was stimulating RPing.

Hey, it is a damn good business. My character dumped almost 10k of tria into it.

I would like to remember to Nova that Venorel (excluding the "vendor" experience in which she was supposedly working FOR the newspaper) only bought 6 issues of the paper and an advertise subscription for 4 issues (it costed 720 tria for each issue). Let's make a little calculation:

6*250= 1.500 tria +
4*720= 2.880 tria =
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       4.380 tria

My question is: Where did you spent the remaining 5620 tria? Did you know you could buy another 22 issues (with a remainder of 160 tria for a sandwich) with that money? It means, five months and a half of reading. I think you should pay more attention to approximate on such delicate topics.

Too many people are always ready to criticize, but they are rarely willing to do challenging things to help other players.

It's easy to say what it "should" be done, without doing it. Is easy to talk about the 9 thousand tria earned in a week of hard work by a person who writes, invents, corrects, edits, organizes, sells and distributes a newspaper, collects advertisements and announcements of every guild and every trader in the game and also finds time, sometimes, to run games for the people. Everybody knows that it's possible to make the same money in a few minutes of mid-level metallurgy, without a penny of the mental effort required to draw up a newspaper.

To better illustrate this concept i will quote this afirmation:

You got to be kidding... 50 copies a week, 250 tria each = 12500 tria.
Thats approx. what i make from 2 refined iron Stocks or 1 good Helmet.

Well said Ohforf! You've just forgotten that we have to pay 50 tria for each blank book and at least 1000 tria for the weekly contest (i'm not calculating the free copies and the presents to the readers), so the weekly total is more alike 9.000 tria... a true fortune considering the easy job.



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Don't put your hopes in seeing the journal again. Raikana was the Journal in PS. Raikana did almost everything in each issue of the Journal. Just face it. The moaners killed off the journal that was stimulating RPing.

If no one picks up the ball perhaps Venorel will. She is an avid author and cunning businesswoman. At least she will know how to treat her customers.  

While she was alive, Raikana was sincerely agree to the idea of having a rival newspaper. In journalism, the "rivalry" (though in reality is more like rowing toward the same dock) helps to keep information alive. I hope I'm not wrong assuming that, when you say "avid author", you are referring to the thirst for knowledge, rather than tria, as for that is certainly better to pursue other much more lucrative professions.

I only wonder why you decided to tell the world your passion for journalism only after the death of Raikana, but I guess it is just a strange coincidence...


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Don't put your hopes in seeing the journal again. Raikana was the Journal in PS. Raikana did almost everything in each issue of the Journal. Just face it. The moaners killed off the journal that was stimulating RPing.

Until someone can tell me different my bet is that no one moaned but Raikana.

I see that you support the presumption of innocence.


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So she deleted her character because of something that might happen in the future and might have an impact on the newspaper?

My guess, from past experiences with Raikana, is that you are correct, Verden.

- Nova

hmmmm...
I were one of the readers now, I'd be wondering what are these enigmatic "past experiences". Of course I would assume that these "experiences" have something to do with Verden's question... otherwise what's the point of that answer?
Well... what do you think...let's uncover the mistery? Let's try! Just sit back because this is a fairly articulated story.


If you are not intentioned to read it (i don't blame you), please just jump to the next answer!


It all starts with a conversation. Venorel claims to be a huge fan of the newspaper and wanted to help sell it; great! This conversation started around 3:40... so after 40 minutes talking I was a bit tired, and i forgot to specify that if there are some unsold copies, it necessary to give them back to the newspaper (fully refunded) to guarantee distribution. It's a simple rule I always specify but, wretched me, i forgot to tell Venorel this detail at the time. Anyway, i made the concept clear in other words... at least i though...as we'll see: (all this conversations have NO CUTS)


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Monday 08-nov-2010 03:09:08 Raikana Plip
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{ Background: The Gug's Tavern }


(04:26:18) Raikana says: first of all i need to know you are going to do your best to spread the paper...giving it to as many different people you can
(04:26:49) Venorel says: "I plan totake subscriptions"
(04:28:19) Raikana says: ok...if i give you copies to sell is because i want to be able to reach more people...if the copies go to a private library or in some collector shop, we failed the mission

{here i was asking her if she would like to help with the Weekly Contest (she said no). At the time was the "Banuts Contest"...}
(04:28:47) Raikana says: second thing.....the contest
(04:29:07) >Raikana Plip picked up a Sack of Banuts
(04:29:25) Raikana says: take this

{here she seems to understand the point of "not having stuck copies"...}
(04:29:30) Venorel says: "No that would not be the intent. I would se subscribers. I had not woried about being stuck with copies as I expect an interst incolecting. Yet until you stop printing them then collecting islimted


After one week i look for her, to know something about the results of her work for the journal.


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Monday 15-nov-2010 21:03:48 Raikana Plip
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{ Background: The arena's upper corridors. }

(22:21:43) Venorel says: I was hoping I might find you.
(22:22:15) Raikana says: Same here!
(22:22:21) Venorel says: I have two new subscribers.
22:23:10) Raikana says: Thats very good.....i'm terribly sorry but II forgot to say you that the unsold copies must be returned to the paper (the paper will buy back)
(22:23:41) Venorel looks puzzled, "That was not part of our negotiations."
(22:24:01) Raikana says: Now....for this edition if you want you can keep them, cause was MY fault, but from now ahead it would be important to set this rule....ok?
(22:24:13) Venorel looks puzzled, "That was not part of our negotiations."
(22:24:35) Venorel says: "We shook hands on our agreement."
(22:24:36) Raikana says: If you are not agree we can interrupt the businnes, no problem, i understand you
(22:24:45) Raikana says: no no
(22:25:00) Venorel glares at Raikana, "So be it."

{ Here Venorel goes away like a flash, and Raikana stand a while talking to the thin air: }

(22:25:06) Raikana says: If you remember i sayd that the copies was to GIVE TO PEOPLE and not to canserve for collector
(22:25:37) [Tell] You tell Venorel: We was talking......why you are so rude?
(22:25:45) [Tell] You tell Venorel: .....
(22:26:14) [Tell] Venorel tells you: [Raikana broke a business agreement. He is lucky he does not have his head seperated from his body]


Please note the following: I have not broken any agreement, I only said I would understand if she wanted to break it, as she seemed not to understand the reasons for the need to return the unsold copies to the newspaper (after reimbursement). Other vendors like Cinade, Heralle or Mekora never had problems about that; maybe, i guess, because they did care about the newspaper and not about the economic profit opportunity.

There was no need for being so rude.

I'll spare you the rest of the (useless) discussions and logs, but I can tell you that afterwards I've tried every way to make peace: I apologized ICly and OOCly, I sent groffels, i sent /tells, I even appealed to her alleged belief in Talad. .. nothing. She seemed to HATE me ... till now.

Here i tell you again: forgive this sinner as would do the good Talad (the God). Be at least true to yourself and to your primordial beliefs, without a second thought due to a misunderstanding. Weren't you a great fan of the paper? What now? Can you make peace with the newspaper (and with the memory of Raikana)?


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So she deleted her character because of something that might happen in the future and might have an impact on the newspaper?

My guess, from past experiences with Raikana, is that you are correct, Verden.

- Nova

i have to agree with this. was going to post something rly lengthy yesterday but lost it since my internet crapped out.... but it seems like everything i was going to say was already posted.

i think the GMs did everything right and raikana simply overreacted, like usual. i've had similar experiences with her as nova had. she doesn't have a grasp of the gap between ic and ooc.

Mmm... let me remember... Am I wrong or your character is the one that called Raikana a "prostitute" for no reason? Ah yes... it is!

Let's post the logs so is more easy to understand:

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Monday 15-nov-2010 02:35:51 Raikana Plip
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{the "klyros" was Raikana and the "fenki" was Ambria, an alt of Mekora}
(03:08:38) Sarras passes by the klyros and fenki, giving them curious looks. She mumbles, "More hookers?"


That day I avoided discussing the issue and I've flown over. Another day i saw her and i reminded that:


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Wednesday 17-nov-2010 06:40:44 Raikana Plip
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08:35:14) Raikana says: you told me i'm a hooker
(08:35:27) Raikana says: i'll never forget it
(08:35:32) Raikana says: you are very rude
(08:35:36) Raikana says: too much rude
(08:35:39) Sarras says: Huh? Oh, that... Hahaha. Well, you did look like one!

After that Raikana was upset, i admid. Well... sorry for my insensate and not understandable reaction. Next time i may try to truly become a prostitute, so i can please you more.


JOKES

So nobody actually came down on her, because nothing had happened, and a possible future consideration was spoken of concerning if, in the future, another player took exception to what was printed about them. So she deleted her character because of something that might happen in the future and might have an impact on the newspaper?

Oh yes... and she is Napoleon Bonaparte! Don't you know? Sorry for the spontaneous joke but I find really funny that a person, without knowing what he's talking about, assumes "a priori" that Raikana is totally crazy. Fun.

Now, seriously, I hope this whole post, and the feedback of the players, will help you to understand the reasons of our fight for the right to independent press.


CONCLUSION


Lastly i would like to ask to you all to porpose solutions to the issues exposed while answering to Sarva. How can we modify the "harassing" rule, to allow any serious journalist to work in peace, without the specter of a mythomaniac that can block the prints with a simple [Don't Pubblish!]?

I do not mean to do as they teach in BBC:
"A good journalist can not avoid to upset somebody every day."

At least let's try, with the maximum respect for the readers as usual, not to publish "The newspaper that has to please everyone by force", because that's the opposite of journalism. And it's not fun.



PS:
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For those that don't know what the copies are like, I might post one of the newpapers on the forum with Raikana's permission of course.

Do what you think is right! Your help is highly apreciated. Though, consider the idea of publishing only the parts that are relevant to this topic, to keep the paper an IC reality. This was part of it's value, it's importance and uniqueness.



Please excuse possible spelling errors, why is it possible that I have made several.
Before replying to this message, think well about the words to use to avoid unnecessary debates.
Kisses.
The soul of Raikana Plip.

[Durgrem]

I have always respected the sentiments of everyone. The one who asked me not to appear in the newspaper, has seen fulfilled his desire. Who asked me to write in the paper anonymously, has got what he asked. The newspaper does not want the absolute right to write whatever, tyrannizing indiscriminately! It only asks to not have to throw away good articles, or even worst, to risk the BAN because of the whims of a single player.

This sounds already quite different from what impression I had from our talk. But I still think we don't fully speak about the same thing yet.
You write that you anonymized an article in agreement with another player. That's, in this case, pretty much exactly what we asked you to do. Basically to respect the feelings of others (again, players, not chars) with your own gameplay. I didn't know about this case in particular, but Im happy to hear about it.

Let me ask about a hypothetical case: If the same person could be easily identified in your article, so that anonymizing him doesn't mean anything. What would you do in such a case? To make it worse, the player would stop to play, because his char's story and possibilities to act would be destroyed.

What we tried to ask of you is, to take his (in this case theoretical) complaint into consideration. And, if it's not possible to work the issue out with another, ask gms for moderation. Simply that.

I think there's the difference in what we speak about. You seem to be concerned that your newspaper will be censored and things, that your char actually sees, can't be written. Im concerned that someone's hopefully good playing experience can get destroyed. Unnecessarily, because most things can be worked out.

As a side note, the thread reads for me like "The evil gms ban someone, because someone else made an unproven statement". Actually, I read about the ban threat even before a gm said a single word. I would also ask to tone that kind of negativity down.

Im quite unhappy about the consequences you drew, because, despite your view on gms, did my player char read the newspapers he got. I have a slight impression of how much work you put into it.
It's very good that you want to work constructively on a change of the harrasment rule. I can't say anything about it yet (not even if and to what extend it has to be changed), but if there are constructive suggestions they will be taken into consideration.

[Raikana]

Did you read what i wrote?

[Earowo]

Did you read what i wrote?

I did
And I will miss you dearly Raik, I've always loved your papers..And I understand Journalism isnt supposed to please people, its supposed to be interesting, while also displaying the 'truth' about somthing that has happened.

[Sulaika]

Raikana, did you read what Durgrem wrote and did you understand what he wrote?

[Sulaika]

I see the points of the GM's as I see the point's of you Raikana, but see isn't it a bit way too much overreaction to leave of such a thing? And I agree with Dannae it could have been fun to be rped it out, instead of involving the GM's at the first point with a petition.

Actually, I read about the ban threat even before a gm said a single word.

Just to support what Durgrem said. There has been never a ban made quick by the GM's. But so see both sides please.

[MishkaL1138]

You say it has nothing to do with Mishka but you don't cease to mention her… I said I wasn't going to post here, but I have to, sorry. Only for that little remark.

What I didn't stop telling Raikana was that there was a rule that stated that if we don't feel comfortable OOCly by someone else's actions, we can ask that person to stop doing it, always OOCly. I got mad at her because she was pressing me to get information, and I didn't have a good day either that day.

She asked me, in tells and completely OOCly, to give her information about Mishka's guild change. I didn't agree, and posed some situatios in which I didn't like to see Mishka's name published. I recognize I was harsh that time, and apologized later. I even gave her the information. Would you like to know what happened between those actions?

She refused to sell me her newspaper <ICly> for a reason that was <OOC>. And I didn't report to anyone when I could.

We talked about it. LOL I even discovered she speaks Spanish. We settled down our dispute and she sold me a copy. I gave her information about Mishka's guild change [ICly, of course], and shared a few jokes. Then, she asked about an incident that happened at the Red Crystal Den, involving an exploding Esorono and a bottle of cider (don't laugh, Mishka was terrified). I asked her what could she do to avoid writing such thing and stain the names and reputation of Mishka and the RCD. She limited herself to answer "You shouldn't have said it". So I asked her to not publish such thing, for the reason mentioned, and because it happened (for me) long time ago.

She started bitching on me. I cut it quickly: I told her to scratch Mishka's name, and everyone happy. Or so I thought. Okay, maybe it was a mistake from my side, and if it was, I recognize it. But that wasn't a good reaction for her part either: childish and arrogant.

After that, I saw Raikana talking with Urriro about Sulaika. I don't remember how, but they agreed going to the RCD. I made Mishka follow them, because she's Urriro and Sulaika's friend, and Urriro didn't say he disagreed ("au contraire", he even told Mish a secret after the conversation, but that's spoiling RPs, so sorry).

Hah, Urriro, poor friend! You should've shut up your mouth. When Urriro told Raikana about sulaika, and asked her nicely and ICly to not publish her, she, with arrogance, gave him the same answer she gave me: "You shouldn't have said it". Urriro asked her OOCly, and I did too!

It seems that Raikana took my words, for an unknown reason, REALLY REALLY bad:

-What I meant was: If you don't follow this rule and stop a RP due to an OOC complaint drected to you, a player can report you to a Game Master. [<=== THAT'S ALL!!]
-What she understood (my opinion and can be rendered invalid): If you don't stop this, I'm getting you banned. [OMG really?]

Whoa, man. Now the problem changes a lot, eh? From an OOC warning to a full threat? It seems I got lost with the calculus somewhere. OH!! And keep in touch I bought ALL the copies I missed, and sold her a repeated issue I had around. At this point, I lost all the respect I had towards Raikana (naw, not really). But was this finished? No! The last strike had yet to come.

Freedom of press. A book behind Harnquist asking people to sign to avoid the disappearance of the newspaper and supporting the freedom of press. My respect-o-meter went from 1 to -5 (ranked from +10 to 0). At this moment, I lost faith in Humanity RPing. After that… well, it's too confusing. Let's say it was the last time I saw Raikana in game.

Now, my final thoughts:
-Raikana, GREAT STUPID, why did you leave? Because you thought they were going to ban you? Bad, Raikana, bad!
-You left a gap in PS without the G&T Journal. Hey, and I include myself. Didn't I buy all the issues I missed? And I shared jokes with you, too. And gave you information! And planned on giving the newspaper some tips about blacksmithing. You left, you miss it. But Raikana wasn't a developed character mechanic-wise, or is she?
-I never, repeat, NEVER wanted YOU, RAIKANA, to get you banned/make you leave. I even considered leaving for a while until things settled down.

It's late and I should be sleeping rather than writing… and sorry I didn't keep my promise: I said I was not going to post here. LOL, I think I posted too much.

G'night.

[Sarras Volcae]

(01:34:40) Esalir picks up hs pack "I need time to myself. Bye."
(01:34:53) Sarras sighs.
(01:34:54) Raikana says: i recognize you girl
(01:35:01) Sarras says: No, you don't.
(01:35:05) Raikana says: you told me i'm a hooker
(01:35:17) Raikana says: i'll never forget it
(01:35:22) Raikana says: you are very rude
(01:35:26) Raikana says: too much rude
(01:35:29) Sarras says: Huh? Oh, that... Hahaha. Well, you did look like one!
(01:35:39) Raikana says: insult me again and it will be your last time
(01:35:54) Raikana says: you are just pathetic
(01:36:00) Sarras says: Alright.
(01:36:17) Sarras shouts: Ugly blue wing-ed lizard! Hah!
(01:37:20) Esalir runs and tackles sarras
(01:37:31) Sarras gets tackled. "Heyy!"
(01:37:38) [Tell] Raikana tells you: Why do you insult the people you don't know? You must be some really ugly soul....you must be a useless person
(01:37:52) [Tell] You tell Raikana: [roleplay please]
(01:38:13) [Tell] Raikana tells you: that's not roleplay, that's insulting....you are simply a "little" person
(01:38:13) Esalir positions himelf ontop of sarras and starts tickling her
(01:38:15) Esalir says: I
(01:38:16) Esalir says: am
(01:38:17) >Sarras Volcae takes a seat.
(01:38:17) Esalir says: NOT
(01:38:24) Esalir shouts: Ugly\!

these are the full logs of that incident, raikana. if you want to discuss it, pm me.

[Earowo]

Wow sarras, no wonder people call you a sarrasaur, you 'are' a bi***.

[weltall]

(01:36:17) Sarras shouts: Ugly blue wing-ed lizard! Hah!

I’ll note this for future reference to sarras

[confused]

Seems like the moaners are still in strong force here. No surprise Raikana is not coming back.

Raikana, we will miss your fun filled RPing you created for the rest of us, even though the moaners helped destroy the much needed RPing on a dying RP server.

From when I came to PS, RPing has been on a decline. Most are just focussing on upping their stats in the quickest possible time. It was nice having another RPer in my timezone when I was in game.

[Sulaika]

  Thank you Mishka. That was very important. And I see you tried your best to rp it out, but then as it still did not help you asked for help.