Unbalanced professions

[weltall]

Here's another point. A sword costs 90k if you buy from Hangtyr. I don't, but a decent sword usually costs about 20k.

well the fact a player can sell the swords overpriced compared to other players doesn't mean that sword cost is per se as high as that

[Hipie_Froboz]

Well, yet another point.
When a auction is announced, does everyone run off to loot creatures? no, they go to the mines. No, they go to the forges.

[Elady]

Some people in TAO sold items they had either looted or gotten form quests as part of raising trias for the house auction. How you go about raising trias depends on what your skills are. If you have no mining skills and not met skills and not blacksmith skill then gong to the furnace to earn trias isn't going to work out very well. If your main skills are hunting then probably best to hunt a lot and maybe you will score some high value loot which then can be sold to rains a lot of trias.  Yes if you have a high enough met skill and blacksmith skill then met is probably the more consistent way to make lots of trias. but as I said that depends on having good mining skills, good smelting skills and good blacksmith skills now. It takes longer to train up the met and blacksmith skills than it takes to train the weapon and armor skills. For example to get my last level in Blacksmith it took 5 hours of grinding. IN that same time I could have gotten a lot of levels  of armor or a few levels in sword and put in less effort than it took to get the Blacksmith level

[Tzarhunt]

Let's just compare mining and hunting: I have two alts, one is at level 10 in mining and basically get an ore each time he tries (I know the so called 'hot spots', though. And they sure are real!). The other is a hunter; he knows how to use a club, wear armor plates and protect himself with a shield, and that's it. Also he can repair his equipment.

I think the time it took to raise mining at ten is quite equivalent to the time it takes to raise a weapon skill up to, let's say, between 35 and 50.

So mining an ore takes five seconds, considering you dig one out the most often, let's say in ten minutes you can dig 75 ores (you have to move, rest some time and such) with a bit of luck.
A weapon skill of 40 let you kill tlokes fairly easily. You got an average of one tloke bit out of three kills, I believe. Let's say it takes 10 seconds to kill one. You got like 30 loots in ten minutes.

Depending on what you dig, mining makes more money (some people pay 300 Trias for a tin ore!), not even smelting your ores! Plus when you hunt you have to repair your equipment, and you have to stop to heal (then you loose time or money, depending on the fact you use healing device or not).

So yeah, hunting does make less money than other trades (not including cooking (by the way, why is a healing potion more expensive than Q200 food??) of course).

[Hipie_Froboz]

Thanks for some support Tzarhunt
I'd train repair, but I'm trying to keep my tria level steady. and every repair? costs 100 tria.why can't repair kits be reusualable at least?

[Earowo]

Here's another point. A sword costs 90k if you buy from Hangtyr. I don't, but a decent sword usually costs about 20k.

It depends on type of sword, the crafter, and magical properties.
I personally buy everything from Leraider, but thats besides the point
i had some 300Q claymores that I bought for around 40k back in 4.03
I had them stored, since I never used them, and I sold them, for the auctions...
Which brings me to my personaly opinion on selling weapons.
The price those claymores sold for to an NPC would have been around 75k each, but when you are taking items out of storage, it shows you the price, you would have to buy them for, its a glitch mabey, but if you bought said 300Q's it would have costed around 85-90k and so thats what i sold them for. gotaround 170-180k for the pair People who sell for less then that, yay invest in them, lol, people who sell for more, well, screw that

[BoevenF]

So mining an ore takes five seconds, considering you dig one out the most often, let's say in ten minutes you can dig 75 ores (you have to move, rest some time and such) with a bit of luck.
A weapon skill of 40 let you kill tlokes fairly easily. You got an average of one tloke bit out of three kills, I believe. Let's say it takes 10 seconds to kill one. You got like 30 loots in ten minutes.

you're mining 400 ores per hour? we are playing different games   

[Gilrond]

Or someone is secretly using a mining machine

[Sarva]

One problem with his calculations is it takes 10 seconds per mining attempt. Then after you get an ore generally it takes a couple of seconds to move to your new location so figure you can't get ores faster than say one every 12 seconds. That is if you are on a hot spot and are getting an ore almost every attempt.

[Tessra]

People also pay 400/tin or copper, not 300.

And if one has a higher level of weapon... tlokes are a one-hit kill, so no more than 5 seconds to kill and loot.

[Vakachehk]

Here's another point. A sword costs 90k if you buy from Hangtyr. I don't, but a decent sword usually costs about 20k.

HOLY WHAT! What on yliakums kind of sword is that, that I'd never buy from him? I tend to just buy of Xarock give yourself a week and he'll have something cheap. Or Gova he can do Sabres last time I saw him and not expensive too

@Earowo I've paid 25k for a pair of claymores  still have them and they're still at 300Q last time I played.

About 6 months ago I could get 65 ores in about 45-60mins per character depending on my luck and if I was concentrating. I could manage running two alts getting around 120-140 an hour. So not that bad I suppose considering I was not boting. But I think they really need to have a big discussion about this because it really needs some work, not just the mining-metallurgy-blcksmithing but also Harvesting/Fishing-Cooking.

[BoevenF]

People also pay 400/tin or copper, not 300.

And if one has a higher level of weapon... tlokes are a one-hit kill, so no more than 5 seconds to kill and loot.

...and 10 seconds looking around, waiting for respawning after the slaughter.

[Tzarhunt]

Well, my maths was wrong indeed, but my point remains valid with the numbers that was given.

I did a test today; My hunter (who is now lvl60 in mace & hammer) went on a tloke-killing spree (using two regular warclubs). In 10 minutes, I managed to loot 14 bits (though I'm pretty sure I usually get a bit more).
Then I went mining copper with my other character (still lvl10 mining) and get 34 ores.

Well, even selling the ores to regular NPC merchants, it makes more money, even if not much more. And it took way more time and money to have a weapon skill at 60 than mining at 10! And I don't even talk about the armor skill and basic stats training...

[Knightspark9]

Here's another point. A sword costs 90k if you buy from Hangtyr. I don't, but a decent sword usually costs about 20k.

HOLY WHAT! What on yliakums kind of sword is that, that I'd never buy from him? I tend to just buy of Xarock give yourself a week and he'll have something cheap. Or Gova he can do Sabres last time I saw him and not expensive too

@Earowo I've paid 25k for a pair of claymores  still have them and they're still at 300Q last time I played.

About 6 months ago I could get 65 ores in about 45-60mins per character depending on my luck and if I was concentrating. I could manage running two alts getting around 120-140 an hour. So not that bad I suppose considering I was not boting. But I think they really need to have a big discussion about this because it really needs some work, not just the mining-metallurgy-blcksmithing but also Harvesting/Fishing-Cooking.

It's called golden engravings; thick blades, high quality. Rush up on your dwarven allies' history as crafters.   

[BoevenF]

I'd like to point out, though, that every now and then I read some posts asking more realism. Well, in RL professions *are* unbalanced. An artisan could surely be  wealthier than a warrior in backgrounds like Yliakum. If my character choose to be a fighter, then he'll do so with RP reasons, living like a warrior. He'll follow his path no matter how much time it takes. And I'd like to hear the voices of alts ruthlessly enslaved to work in mines. I'm sure they even don't eat or sleep.