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Your Character and why it's horrible
« on: February 17, 2011, 09:34:18 pm »
I went on PS for the first time in over a year the other day and realized that a lot of players have horrible, horrible characters.  That's an overstatement.  So I though, constructive criticism is fun, your character gets better and I get to sound snobbish!  No, not really.

I think a lot of people do diminish their PS experience by having flawless characters.  This isn't to say that they don't enjoy PS at all, just that they could enjoy it more.  People read books and get excited when the main character does unbelievable feats but, they often forget that the only reason they ended up caring about the character is often because of his flaws and his conflicts.  Then there are those seeming omnipotent characters in books, but how often are they the main character?  And when they are, is the book any good?  (Generally, no).

So, I was thinking that the PS community should help the PS community.  How?  By critiquing each others player descriptions.  This could be from the actual ingame description or just from somebody describing their own character here.

So, how does this work?  For now I think we'll try to keep it simple and in this thread.  I'll post a description.  Whoever critiques it should quote it and then comment on it.  After which they have to post their own description.  You can critique as many as you want.  You don't have to do the person above you, but we should try to make sure everybody's gets a comment or two.  And nothing too mean!

Example and my post:

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Inexistant description before mine

Critique:  It doesn't exist and is therefore horrible.

Khado Sarodac:  A slightly tall and very lean enkidukai who wears what could only be called rags.  A leather mask covers the upper left half of his face, including his left eye, but what can be seen is well kept.  Traces of battle are all over his body, with large scars across his belly and chest, revealed by the tattered state of his clothing.  His cold, blue eyes constantly dart about, checking around corners wherever he goes.  The scars and rags make this mid twenties man seem much older than he is.

Despite his sorry state, he does seem to walk with a sense of confidence, born of arrogance well tested.  Though cold to complete strangers, he's quick to grin to friends.  He's armed with naught but a simple Long sword and short sword.

I play him as a mentally talented individual with a weakness for women and a great amount of paranoia.  A large hate for magic and absolutely no talent in the subject.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 09:53:29 pm by Elkarway »

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 10:33:41 pm »
I couldn't care less about character's descriptions, but rather their attitude and mindset. That should be the factor rather then the description.

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 05:33:24 am »
ditto to what mekora said! descriptions don't mean much. it's how you roleplay the character.

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 06:23:24 am »
Meh, i didnt read the whole post, but i read about flaws, idk you, but for the good almost 2 years i've played, my character has always been clumsy :) fallin offa ledges and trippin and such
Dohmo: Please clean up your language immediately.
Me: as i just said, what i said, fits in the guidlines of rated PG, i was just explaining to the G guy
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Dohmo: and i'm telling you to clean it up. last warning
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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 08:42:05 am »
Wasn't it the imperfection of Peter Parker what made Spiderman so famous?

Elkarway: Your complaint isn't the first one. In fact, it was one of the reasons why some of the greater players (like Illysia) recently left the game (which was just as inadequate, IMHO; but this has been discussed more than enough). Even the "Server Message of the Day" contains such a hint once in a while: We don't need superheroes and supervillains only, we need also much more average people.

You are already heard. Just ignored by a few.

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 09:05:24 am »
The only ever really horrible character I met in-game was a guildie called Nurahk. Somehow he found it necessary to roleplay some great hero who would save Yliakum from destruction. All the horrible clichés swam by as he wielded his great sword reminiscent of some anime character's, had blonde hair that stood high up whenever he was angry and was scarred all over his body as if he had just returned from war against some evil force.
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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 01:40:15 pm »
hardly read anything in this topic. But to the conversation of descriptions. Ok it is very important to have a short to the point, head to toe, what they're wearing, what they might have sheathed, but not an essay please!
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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 03:28:08 pm »
Better read it again.

The topic here is less the description, rather the definition of your character.

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 05:13:32 pm »
That pales before the utterly awful character who, after a much fanfared permanent death, returned to Hydlaa as a "ghost". A smelly ghost at that.

Sounds pretty damn awesome to me. Come to think of it, I do remember a certain horrible character whose persona was bent on drinking as much as possible while being philosophical about it. Something along the lines of Ronenad, or Renonnad. Ah well, I'll remember soon.
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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 05:35:43 pm »
Quote from: Elkarway
I think a lot of people do diminish their PS experience by having flawless characters.  This isn't to say that they don't enjoy PS at all, just that they could enjoy it more.  People read books and get excited when the main character does unbelievable feats but, they often forget that the only reason they ended up caring about the character is often because of his flaws and his conflicts.  Then there are those seeming omnipotent characters in books, but how often are they the main character?  And when they are, is the book any good?  (Generally, no).
First, define "flawless". A character could look handsome and still have sociopathic tendencies. Or just be plain evil person. Or just caring about his looks. Therefore, the description by itself is a bad indicator of flawless characters. You can spot godmodders and similar people head-on, but not the two-dimensional, cardboard characters.

Also, Watchmen.


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So, I was thinking that the PS community should help the PS community.  How?  By critiquing each others player descriptions.  This could be from the actual ingame description or just from somebody describing their own character here.
There's a list of what the description on Zeroping can and cannot include, but I cannot find it now. However, this might be a bit older, but still valid.

I think your proposal is a nice way to shorten the average description length which may or may not contain too much information on one's character. Also, I have seen a lot of different styles when it comes to descriptions: too long, too short, too much detail and not enough detail. My main character's description is just abou 237 words long, and that's already a litte much I believe.

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So, how does this work?  For now I think we'll try to keep it simple and in this thread.  I'll post a description.  Whoever critiques it should quote it and then comment on it.  After which they have to post their own description.  You can critique as many as you want.  You don't have to do the person above you, but we should try to make sure everybody's gets a comment or two.

Do you really think people do that, looking at the thread header?

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And nothing too mean!
... You don't have any experience with in-depth critique, have you? I've seen good critiques and a lot of bad ones, some of them in feuilletons. There's a difference between constructive criticism - I've seen that mostly between people that write themselves and have at least some sort of respect for each other. And then there is the other kind of critique, one may call it scorcher. It might be a fun read when done by someone who's literate, well-educated and can write well, but sometimes it's just as worse as what is being criticised.

That being said, there's also a difference between taking critique and giving it. Developing some kind of thick fur helps quite a lot - if you only let people criticize your work of whom you know that they like you so much that they won't give you a bad critique, then your skill or the quality of whatever you're trying to do will remain on the same level and even worsen.


Let's try this, shall we?

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Khado Sarodac:  A slightly tall and very lean enkidukai who wears what could only be called rags.  A leather mask covers the upper left half of his face, including his left eye, but what can be seen is well kept.  Traces of battle are all over his body, with large scars across his belly and chest, revealed by the tattered state of his clothing.  His cold, blue eyes constantly dart about, checking around corners wherever he goes.  The scars and rags make this mid twenties man seem much older than he is.

Despite his sorry state, he does seem to walk with a sense of confidence, born of arrogance well tested.  Though cold to complete strangers, he's quick to grin to friends.  He's armed with naught but a simple Long sword and short sword.

I play him as a mentally talented individual with a weakness for women and a great amount of paranoia.  A large hate for magic and absolutely no talent in the subject.

General notes: Wordy due to quite a lot of adjectives and adverbs, could be shortened. Expressions unclear and not to the point. Long sentences. Information cluttered all over the place. What about something like this:

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This enkidukai in his mid-twenties looks older than he is. He is slightly taller than the average, very lean and has cold, blue eyes. He wears rags and a leather mask which covers the upper left half of his face, including his left eye. Despite this, he looks well-kept.
On first glance one could notice large scars across his belly and chest.

Despite his sorry state, he does seem to walk with a sense of confidence, constantly observing his environment with quick glances. He has a sheated longsword and shortsword on his belt.

All other information should be obtained by roleplay. Descriptions only show a player what he would see if his character looks at someone else. One could even take a more puritan stance and add "one a quick glance".


And please keep on topic, everyone. We could always wander off-topic one or two pages later.  :P
« Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 05:37:38 pm by Mask »
It's just an idea, it might contain nonsense until proper sources are given.

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2011, 08:55:13 pm »
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... You don't have any experience with in-depth critique, have you? I've seen good critiques and a lot of bad ones, some of them in feuilletons. There's a difference between constructive criticism - I've seen that mostly between people that write themselves and have at least some sort of respect for each other. And then there is the other kind of critique, one may call it scorcher. It might be a fun read when done by someone who's literate, well-educated and can write well, but sometimes it's just as worse as what is being criticised.

That being said, there's also a difference between taking critique and giving it. Developing some kind of thick fur helps quite a lot - if you only let people criticize your work of whom you know that they like you so much that they won't give you a bad critique, then your skill or the quality of whatever you're trying to do will remain on the same level and even worsen.

Although I admit I've never experience a critique that I'd call in-depth, I think that it not what this calls for.  Many who play PlaneShift do not want to become writers and what not and would shy away from hurtful criticism.
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Let's try this, shall we?

General notes: Wordy due to quite a lot of adjectives and adverbs, could be shortened. Expressions unclear and not to the point. Long sentences. Information cluttered all over the place. What about something like this:

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This enkidukai in his mid-twenties looks older than he is. He is slightly taller than the average, very lean and has cold, blue eyes. He wears rags and a leather mask which covers the upper left half of his face, including his left eye. Despite this, he looks well-kept.
On first glance one could notice large scars across his belly and chest.

Despite his sorry state, he does seem to walk with a sense of confidence, constantly observing his environment with quick glances. He has a sheated longsword and shortsword on his belt.

All other information should be obtained by roleplay. Descriptions only show a player what he would see if his character looks at someone else. One could even take a more puritan stance and add "one a quick glance".
Quite a bit better than my description.  And thank you!  I do tend to wordiness, overlong sentences and, most of all, I very, really, often, bluely, coldly and constantly overuse adjectives


The only ever really horrible character I met in-game was a guildie called Nurahk. Somehow he found it necessary to roleplay some great hero who would save Yliakum from destruction. All the horrible clichés swam by as he wielded his great sword reminiscent of some anime character's, had blonde hair that stood high up whenever he was angry and was scarred all over his body as if he had just returned from war against some evil force.

More like the most horribly awesome character.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 09:56:08 pm by Elkarway »

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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2011, 11:42:31 pm »
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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 02:45:29 pm »
I would say that there is a balance to be struck. I created one char with a desc that verges on godmodding. But I gave her a personality that can best be described as horrible. That was my intent. She is needy, selfish, ignorant, socially inappropriate, and untrustworthy. So I felt like there were enough flaws to make her interesting. I agree that perfect characters are boring, boring to play with, boring to play. But that's just my opinion. Once a char is created though you can't just rewrite them, that is like rewriting the script with the actors already onstage. Unless you create a life event for them. So we have to live with the characters we write and make them interesting. Few of us will create the best char possible at creation time.


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Re: Your Character and why it's horrible
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2011, 09:04:23 pm »
Anyone remember Skreit's descriptions?   *shudders* :D


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