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[Caraick]

Ideally, I'd like to see a variety of body types to choose from regardless of race/gender (like slim, buxom for the ladies, average, fat, muscular), but that's a heck of a lot of work for the team.

Ideally, this would be great... The only issue is, you'd have every new player choosing "Muscular" or "Beautiful" or "Warlord" type bodies

[Tessra]

Not me. I'd totally pick a tubby menki, and a scrawny Ylian. 

[Sarras Volcae]

Ideally, this would be great... The only issue is, you'd have every new player choosing "Muscular" or "Beautiful" or "Warlord" type bodies

and why does that matter?

[Sangwa]

Because it's a waste of time making a 100 types of shapes when everyone uses 3.

[Sarras Volcae]

don't think that's what he meant

[Sangwa]

Sarras, not everyone says stuff just for the sake of saying it.

[Sarras Volcae]

what?

[verden]

lol cognition fail

[Sarras Volcae]

caraick meant that new players would rather choose godly physiques than weaker/fatter ones, so we'd have a bunch of jacked idiots running around. don't know where sangwa got the 100 types of bodies or whatever from.

[Sangwa]

Caraick said the idea would be great, but that it'd be limited by the choices players actually make. The limitation here is that you wouldn't actually see that many differences, even though you had lots of different skins.
Well Caraick either meant this would be a waste of time, or he was just speaking about the whole deal for the sake of reminding us how people love looking awesome (which is saying something for the sake of saying it). Since I give Caraick some credit, I opted for the previous hypothesis and not the latter.

[Phage]

Bind appearance to be chosen at character creation to initial stats. Bodybuilder type of guys would have high physical stats and low mental ones, other appearances accordingly. And then also (finally) implement restrictions for levels of stats so that an Einstein char wont be trainable to Schwarzenegger physique and Legolas agility at the same time. Three or perhaps five different physiques would already be sufficient.

[Tessra]

If you do that, Phage, you are limiting the amount of growth a character can progress through.  Sure, some people would just start with a buff dude and then make him a genius as well just to be the PL-Pwner.  But some people actually role play character development, and for them, especially the many people who are creative enough to start with a child character and grow them up, they would be stuck.  Any child alt would have to start off weak and relatively unintelligent, and then grow stronger and smarter.. but that would be possible if you didn't allow them to grow in multiple areas.  You would also negate the retired warrior, who chooses to become wise in his old age.

[Sarras Volcae]

Bodybuilder type of guys would have high physical stats and low mental ones, other appearances accordingly.

um... i really don't get where this stereotype comes from. some of the smartest men i've ever known were/are bodybuilders. this is a ridiculous generalization and i'm sick of seeing it on every MMO.

[Sangwa]

It's a common stereotype, since the smartest men have no time for body building. If you picture in your head really smart people (and not your neighbor), like Einstein, Newton and whoever, you'll never picture them as the muscular type.

Still, I agree that it's a silly stereotype and in no way would I ever want characters to be limited into being either smart or strong. It should just be made harder to become both. (It currently is a bit hard, since you get less PPs if you raise your stats. Still, it'd be good if for every stat you raise the others decreased 0.001 to simulate choice of focus.)

[Candy]

Ideally, I'd like to see a variety of body types to choose from regardless of race/gender (like slim, buxom for the ladies, average, fat, muscular), but that's a heck of a lot of work for the team.

Ideally, this would be great... The only issue is, you'd have every new player choosing "Muscular" or "Beautiful" or "Warlord" type bodies

Not really; I have a fat menki and an unhealthily-slim nolthrir. Admittedly I do have a couple of muscly characters, but those ones are either trained up or will be; the rest of my entirely-too-many alts are pretty much average.

caraick meant that new players would rather choose godly physiques than weaker/fatter ones, so we'd have a bunch of jacked idiots running around. don't know where sangwa got the 100 types of bodies or whatever from.

WTF Sarras, you think I'm Sangwa?