Define Botting

[psdummy]

I am playing in Non-Roleplay Server. Just got accused botting by a GM today. Here is the log

(14:12:00) [Tell] You tell Sarko: I wasn't botting!
(14:22:38) [Tell] Sarko tells you: stop botting guys
(14:22:47) [Tell] You tell Sarko: i am not
(14:22:58) [Tell] You tell Sarko: what make you think i am
(14:23:27) [Tell] Sarko tells you: not answered 5 of my tells
(14:23:34) [Tell] Sarko tells you: untill i move you
(14:23:52) [Tell] You tell Sarko: i reply you after you move me
(14:24:04) [Tell] Sarko tells you: yes after
(14:24:14) [Tell] You tell Sarko: not everyone keep look at Whisper
(14:24:41) [Tell] Sarko tells you: ignoring gm tells is punishable too
(14:25:04) [Tell] You tell Sarko: .....
(14:25:26) [Tell] You tell Sarko: then you guys should make GM tell display on screen
(14:26:00) [Tell] Sarko tells you: and i went visible in front of you and you didnt react
(14:27:21) [Tell] You tell Sarko: did you?, I didn't see you, you sure you close enough to in my view?
(14:27:59) [Tell] Sarko tells you: can you see me now ?
(14:28:00) [Tell] You tell Sarko: now i see you
(14:28:40) [Tell] Sarko tells you: and now ?
(14:29:03) [Tell] You tell Sarko: yes, but i need to rotate my view to see better
(14:29:41) [Tell] Sarko tells you: you are now marked as suspect botter
(14:30:00) [Tell] Sarko tells you: if another gm catch you it is the ban

then him went straight offline.

I just want to know what exactly is botting.

Does it strictly means using other program to do actions?

or it can be simply as AFK?

As you know crafting can be boring. I usually do other thing when I crafting, eg read the forum. Is this gonna make me seen as botting? If so, then I guess I probably will be ban soon....

But I strongly think there should be a better and smart way to detect bot!

[weltall]

botting is defined as using an external program (or a not authorized modification to the game itself) in order to issue programmatically commands to the game.
unfortunately this is mostly a case of his word against yours... I'd assume (and hope) the issue happened more than one time before acting...

[bilbous]

When crafting, especially smelting, diligent work can be indistinguishable from botting due to lag. Pretty much all a GM has to go on is to watch the container, furnace/stock caster, to see if the items cycle in a reasonable fashion. If there is a lot of latency between you and the observer with the server as intermediary it can look like items go in and come out too fast to be properly processed. This is nobody's fault but is an issue for the GM.

Anytime you are doing such work you need to be able to monitor the whisper channel and you will avoid problems. If you cannot see all the tabs you might need to go to options->inteface->chat tabs to deselect use basic chat tabs. Personally I use a skin that has horizontal chat tabs -- run along the top of the chat window rather than down the side so I can monitor for ne messages and my chat box doesn't take up too much screen space.

[Sarko]

ok you are saying that you were afk when i sent you Tells.... Explain me how you can still hammering while afk... we have your log as proof and you hammered many time between each tells I sent you... Also I went visible infront of you and you didnt react...

[Minks]

Maybe he is playing in a rather small window?
I sometimes have this problem when cooking, that the containers, inventorys and whatnot almost completely cover everything including the chat window.

[Mask]

I can confirm that while playing on 800x600 and crafting, the container windows and the inventory covers part of the chat window.

[Aramara Meibi]

even if his chat window was in full view, the crafting windows would at least block most of the rest of the screen, so that if the GM appeared in front of him, he still wouldn't be able to see him. I know I've suffered this issue when crafting if someone walks up to me and starts chatting, I may not always immediately recognize it. I've lowered the transparency of the windows to help and deal with this issue.

Another thing, sometimes it's easier to adjust your camera at an angle where you have easy access to both the forge and anvil, so that your camera may not be facing immediately forward like a 1st person or 3rd person follow perspective, so if the GM appeared IN FRONT of the player, and attempted to communicate strictly through /tells, which may not have even been a tab on the player's screen, then I can easily see how the GM went unnoticed.

[Suno_Regin]

Sarko, bud, work on your English before you go accusing people like this. Half of the remaining PS population would be banned by your standards if you hounded each and every one of them. Realize that the PS windows (anything other than chat) take up 120% of the screen half the time because they're too damn big when they shouldn't be - if you played the game you would know that - but don't go and start trying to banhammer the last remaining players in this game when you need to be encouraging them to sit through this monotony.

[Soloyos]

Wow dont all bite each others heads of, people make mistakes, mybe Sarko was wrong maybe "psdummy" was wrong, but does it really matter that much?.