Stillwater Peace Corps -wrt- Tragic Wedding / RP events

[IkonRevisions]

Just wanted to state that a public declaration of the Stillwater Peace Corps goals, history, and organization is now posted!

See the post in the Guilds Forum.

Cheers

[novacadian]

* bilbous wonders where the mining office is where you have to buy your mining permit.

That would seem to be a logical place for someone to take a complaint to. Of course there isn't such a place, except theoretically, which kind of points out the main reason there has been no official response. If the Octarchy were actually losing income from miners who can't mine safely requiring refunds there would be big trouble.

Venorel was helping out a friend in the Sunshine Squadron with a huge back taxes bill mounted by his father. It took a favour here and a favour there to straighten things out for him from connections Venorel knows and made in Hydlaa. It did give her some insight into tax collection in the capital; let alone some backwater desert road. Tax Collection is a disaster! No wonder guards are begging for new boots! The place is ripe for revolution! 

- Nova

[mightymax474]

The thugs (stillwater)  killed me

[Kolela]

The thugs (stillwater)  killed me

This statement might be of any interest to anyone if you mentioned whether or not there was any RP involved.  As it is, it is about as interesting and informative as saying Pilfer killed you (he will, too; he's quite the cutthroat!)
Perhaps you'd like us to keep score? We could start a list:
Died: name?   good guy/bad guy?    Magic/combat?    RP'd first: yes/no?
You can put me down for having died/killed equal numbers of times....

In all seriousness, I think that either I'm missing something, or many of those complaining are.  I've not been around for any of PS's GM events, but in the other MMO I've played extensively, the favorite GM events were the ones that involved known villains with an ongoing story.  So... GM villains are a good thing but player villains are a bad thing?  We're not actually trying to make money off anyone, kill for no reason, or prevent you from getting resources.  We're here to stir up some RP.  So far I have not had anyone say to me "I don't want to RP, I just need some platinum."  If someone said that to me, I'd be fine with it.  Flat out ignoring me is not the same thing. 
This is an RP server, as has been said, so RP is the object of the game more than mining, crafting, etc., but the flip side of that is that you cannot be forced into an RP; if you don't want to participate, just say so and you'll be left alone.

[IkonRevisions]

I think what Kolela said really should be taken to heart by anyone involved in our RP.

The fact remains anyone we have "dealt with" at the mine has either:
a) Ignored us and continued to mine, not stating they do not wish to take part in our rp.
b) Insulted or attacked us.
or
c) Ran from the mine as soon as someone from the Stillwater group showed up. In this case we may simply pursue as someone would a thief for the sake of RP.

Which is fine if the person has had in game contact with the approaching member of the SPC or in case of the generals, who are marked with the cloak of Stillwater Peace Corps. ( I guess an overly cautious and frightful miner would work as well ).

Still I hope that overall people enjoy our presence in the game to try and bring a little unpopular diversity to the RP scene on this the Roleplay server. If you have any problems with joining in on the RP and are at the mine or any other position an event of ours may sprout up, please let us know in a tell or an out of game remark and we will respect your wishes.

-Cheers

[Sadie]

  I agree with what Kolela said.
  This is the best kind of RP -- unexpected.
  And we've always known we could say "No, busy/ I don't want to/ etc.  And if it is RP, we won't die. They have said so.

  Just my tria..... Sanrai 

[Guardas]

This is essentially bully RP.

I'm normally fine with that, however what I'm not fine with is the lack of consistency shown between your members in the mine situation and other areas like Camp Banished and the Diayo pit.  Multiple times members of SPC/PoC (PoC is lumped in with you because many of your members run with them and have called them in or vice-versa on multiple occasions) have randomly killed lowbies without so much as a word. Others have willfully metagamed with knowledge their characters could not possibly know. Others have point blank told me and others that they don't consider the Diayo pit as In character (which is really bizarre since it's in the game world).

I'm having a real hard time believing that this is really an attempt at RP and things are going as cleanly as you're claiming, given the interactions I've seen in other areas.

[IkonRevisions]

Guardas,

I have no idea what you are talking about with running around with the PoC and killing in the dlayo pit or camp banished. I take it you are referring to Kisoji in this post as none of the other members have done such a thing without proper provocation. I know the Irec did kill some in the Dlayo pit simply b/c they were exploiting by casting through walls etc and that by most players standards is worthy of being attacked. Or rather if someone makes rude comments or insults towards us in a location that we can attack, that should also bring no surprise.

The lowbies killed at the mines are people who simply would not respond to our rp, likely afk mining alts of players or refused to give into our demands, continuing to mine, never stating they do not wish to be involved in the RP. We setup this RP to start in a location that PvP is enabled due to the fact it is first a valuable resource to try and control to get the group some power and notice ICly, while also being a location where people are likely to participate in our RP. So many people playing this game confuse me when they simply try to ignore good RP possibilities just because it is not going to be in the best interest in their character getting stronger or richer. The whole point is to have some exciting RP if you simply do not find our RP enjoyable let us know OOC and you will be allowed to mine and grind in peace. The actions of one person in our guild also does not mean our group is out to harass or bully people with our RP.

Most of the input we have had from people who strive to play this game as it is meant to be, meaning promoting fun RP, good or bad, has been positive. I believe that if you are so selective in what RP you want to join, this is not the server for you. Yliakum without some controversial groups in my opinion is a bore.

Oh yeah one more thing. If you wish to make claims about our bullying please highlight the circumstances and people involved, then changes will be made if necessary.

Cheers

[Guardas]

I know the Irec did kill some in the Dlayo pit simply b/c they were exploiting by casting through walls etc and that by most players standards is worthy of being attacked.

No, that's not what happened.  No one was casting through walls except Irec. Irec killed a lowbie in the pit. Then he killed my character by casting through 4 sets of walls in the arena with daemon arrows and then denied that it was an exploit, along with telling a lowbie that the Diayo pit is OOC and he should expect to die at random. Let's not even mention that the number of SPC I've seen on the tents killing Guile makes you claiming killing anyone for exploiting through walls completely hypocritical.

Kisoji has been a problem in the past as well, yes with completely random attacks (along with Mordas of PoC who I'm told are your allies).

Most of the input we have had from people who strive to play this game as it is meant to be, meaning promoting fun RP, good or bad, has been positive. I believe that if you are so selective in what RP you want to join, this is not the server for you. Yliakum without some controversial groups in my opinion is a bore.

If you're implying that because my review of your actions is not favorable that I don't strive to play the game it was "meant" to be played, then that's simply untrue and rather haughty of you to state. I hope that is not how you meant it.

My issue is not your RP, my issue is the lack of RP and consistency shown by some of your members. Go be "bad" guys all you want,  just be consistent.

[IkonRevisions]

Well my experiences with you show me that you are in no place to claim to judge our role-play inconsistent. Characters have their own personality and so killing people may look like random acts but more often than not there is likely a reason behind it. Either way one instance with Irec has nothing to do with our group as a whole, as it was not linked to any of our RP events, also that was before things became more organized in the guild.

Also, we have no alliance with the PoC. Ikon is just good friends with Zarre so their actions as a guild are not in anyway linked to our group. As for Kiso causing problem and randomly killing, when he is back a RP event will be made where he is publicly flogged and demoted for his actions that in no way progress the standing of the SPC. Overall, if you approach our RP with good RP on your side as well I think you will enjoy it like many seem to have, however any encounter with your character I have seen just OOC rudeness leak through overshadowing any attempt at quality RP.

I know myself I have killed guile and others at camp banished getting them stuck on objects and the like before but just the same I often kill them if there by walking around while casting. Bottom line it is the only place a leveled character can get any PP and they need to kill while cursed on top of that so I can understand why people do it but I rather see people just walk and cast there as well but again I said I understand killing someone for exploiting not saying I bother to do it myself, I have enough people hating me as it is *winks*.

So now you retract your complaints that we are doing bully rp and now instead say we just do not consistently RP? I think you might be a bit confused on what you actually think of this situation, are you bothered OOCly and letting that effect your in game character more than it should?

Well hopefully that helps clarify a bit, if you are indeed just bother ICly why have you not sought Ikon or Aensor ( the generals besides Irec ) for discussion and try to work a deal or tell them of the actions of their comrades?

Think on it.

In response to your added comment. I am just saying that it is bothersome and challenging to get a large scale RP going when you are acting as a "villain". Not saying anything to you directly here but it seems in the encounters our group has had with you, you do not seem open enough to the RP to enjoy it. If you think us wrong and your character is angry at us, assemble a force to get rid of us or make a deal with us. Would be enjoyable for both parties.

[Guardas]

Well my experiences with you show me that you are in no place to claim to judge our role-play inconsistent. Characters have their own personality and so killing people may look like random acts but more often than not there is likely a reason behind it. Either way one instance with Irec has nothing to do with our group as a whole, as it was not linked to any of our RP events, also that was before things became more organized in the guild.

Also, we have no alliance with the PoC. Ikon is just good friends with Zarre so their actions as a guild are not in anyway linked to our group. As for Kiso causing problem and randomly killing, when he is back a RP event will be made where he is publicly flogged and demoted for his actions that in no way progress the standing of the SPC. Overall, if you approach our RP with good RP on your side as well I think you will enjoy it like many seem to have, however any encounter with your character I have seen just OOC rudeness leak through overshadowing any attempt at quality RP.

I know myself I have killed guile and others at camp banished getting them stuck on objects and the like before but just the same I often kill them if there by walking around while casting. Bottom line it is the only place a leveled character can get any PP and they need to kill while cursed on top of that so I can understand why people do it but I rather see people just walk and cast there as well but again I said I understand killing someone for exploiting not saying I bother to do it myself, I have enough people hating me as it is *winks*.

So now you retract your complaints that we are doing bully rp and now instead say we just do not consistently RP? I think you might be a bit confused on what you actually think of this situation, are you bothered OOCly and letting that effect your in game character more than it should?

Well hopefully that helps clarify a bit, if you are indeed just bother ICly why have you not sought Ikon or Aensor ( the generals besides Irec ) for discussion and try to work a deal or tell them of the actions of their comrades?

Think on it.

Claiming an area is bully RP, especially when your group has some of the highest skill levels compared to others. There's really not much most people can do to you and you know it. Some of your members are not consistent.  These are NOT mutually exclusive

I see no reason to try and resolve OOC conflicts (because that's what Irec terms the Diayo pit apparently) with IC actions. Also before things were organized?  This was as recent as this weekend. My character has no actual problems with SPC (well other than he thinks the claim is a farce like most of the world), I do because of the way some of your members treat newer players.

I'm going to ignore the rest of the personal attacks because they're quite plainly ignorant and you haven't interacted with me at all to know.

[Irec]

Guardas.

You seem to have things slightly mixed up here.

Your guild-member, Gatat, was killing Dlaoys from the Marfu. pit. I then killed Gatat as he entered the Dlayo PvP zone, and afterwards sent him a tell letting him know that killing MOBs inside the arena from on top or behind walls is considered OOC (i know i should have told him about the rule before killing him, and i apologized to him for that). Then all of a sudden you turned up, moved inside the PvP zone to target me and attack with spells, moved back out of the PvP zone and continued casting, died from my spells, accused me of using food (which i did not) and then started a long rant in tell.

 As i'm reading through my logs i can however understand your confusion about what you thought i meant about OOC behavior. You seem to have thought I meant the Dlayo pit is an OOC area (i do not). What you didn't grasp was that I meant your guild member's actions were OOC. The odd thing here is that despite me telling both him and you this, he continued killing the MOBs through the wall.

Next time you post a rant or whine in gossip, get your facts straight.

-Irec

[Guardas]

Guardas.

You seem to have things slightly mixed up here. Your guild-member, Gatat, was killing Dlaoys from the Marfu. pit. I then killed Gatat as he entered the Dlayo PvP zone, and afterwards sent him a tell letting him know that killing MOBs inside the arena from on top or behind walls is considered OOC (i know i should have told him about the rule before killing him, and i apologized to him for that). Then all of a sudden you turned up, moved inside the PvP zone to target me and attack with spells, moved back out of the PvP zone and continued casting, died from my spells, accused me of using food (which i did not) and then started a long rant in tell. As i'm reading through my logs i can however understand your confusion about what you thought i meant about OOC behavior. You seem to have thought I meant the Dlayo pit is an OOC area. What you didn't grasp was that I meant your guild member's actions were OOC. The odd thing here is that despite me telling both him and you this, he continued killing the MOBs through the wall. Next time you post a rant or whine in gossip, get your facts straight.

-Irec

No, I did not and if you think I did,  you're very mistaken. I stopped casting the moment I moved out of line of sight.  Exploiting bugs in PvP is wrong and you should know that.

As for your comment about OOC actions,  as I said to Ikon,  considering how many of your people I've seen "exploiting" Guile (and likely you although I haven't seen it) I find that farcical that you'd kill someone else for it, especially someone new.

I really think you need to take your own advice.

[Irec]

"As for your comment about OOC actions,  as I said to Ikon,  considering how many of your people I've seen "exploiting" Guile (and likely you although i haven't seen it) I find that farcical that you'd kill someone else for it."

According to the rules, standing on objects while casting in the wilderness is not considered OOC.

-Irec

[IkonRevisions]

Guardas,

Well you can keep your thoughts on all this, fine by me but would be interesting to see you join in real rp with the group before complaining about a few occurrences.

As a leader of a guild you are not a baby sitter so you cannot see what everyone is doing while training, etc. This however just sounds like a personal thing between you and Irec so maybe best to keep it that way instead of being an ordeal with our guild as a whole.

Cheers.