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[LigH]

Rant:

There is no information in facts like "sector G" for the normal player who doesn't have developer assets documenting sectors.

[Dau]

How does Nolthrir society even function if most of them will start and then abandon projects on a whim?    And join and leave relationships and organizations on a whim?   (Not to mention the whole "commonplace abandonment of partner and child" thing...)   What constitutes 'social rank' for them, and how is it achieved?   

Also: while the "Ylian aren't considered full adults until they get married, and BTW they don't usually divorce either" thing is realistic to many human societies, from a player's perspective that is near on unplayable.   Can't speak for anyone else but I'd rather not have every new Ylian character I play be either underage, a widow/widower, or considered a (wo)manchild by all the rest of their race to account for their unpartnered status.

[LigH]

Good point, Dau. My main char, Gag Harmond, must feel then like a "male virgin", being not yet married ... (playing him for more than 5 years already). — Uh, what did I just say?!

[novacadian]

Uh, what did I just say?!

Venorel cackles gleefully

[Knightspark9]

That idea for ylians sounds good to me. A sort of requirement, and some feeling horribly shamed by not being married; could certainly make for some good roleplay.

[Dau]

Personal preferences, I guess, but to me 100 rounds of "I am a shame to my family and society for being unmarried at age 20" sounds dead boring.   There are some valid character concepts to be gotten out of it, but not enough to sustain an entire RPable race.   No racial settings should force all players of that race into the same types of personal storylines.

At best it should be a cultural expectation in one particular area so players can play with it if they want to, rather than making it a universal thing.

[Chessire]

I think we should have two ylian brothers fall in love with the same nolthir and let the soap opera begin 

[Knightspark9]

Personal preferences, I guess, but to me 100 rounds of "I am a shame to my family and society for being unmarried at age 20" sounds dead boring.   There are some valid character concepts to be gotten out of it, but not enough to sustain an entire RPable race.   No racial settings should force all players of that race into the same types of personal storylines.

At best it should be a cultural expectation in one particular area so players can play with it if they want to, rather than making it a universal thing.

I did say some after all. But yes, I believe that most may feel ashamed by such. Not every single ylian, but something that is culturally theirs. An entire race, whom has been on a single world for years; believing this sounds relevant to me. However, there could have been splits in this way of thinking. Just my two cents.

[Dau]

I did say some after all. But yes, I believe that most may feel ashamed by such. Not every single ylian, but something that is culturally theirs. An entire race, whom has been on a single world for years; believing this sounds relevant to me. However, there could have been splits in this way of thinking. Just my two cents.

Here is the problem: keeping this as settings makes most PC Ylian aberrant from the norm.   As someone who tries to keep her characters settings-compliant, I know I personally will be hesitant to play a Ylian if I have such a problematic settings issue to grapple with, because it preloads every Ylian character over the age of sixteen with obligatory drama.   Repetitive drama, no less!  After fifty rounds of "I am a social failure and a shame to my family! " and another fifty rounds of "I'm a bad boy/girl who spits in the face of your marital conventions!  ", it's gonna get so boring. 

It's just bad worldbuilding from an RP standpoint, sorry. 

To be constructive, if the devs want to keep a marriage-equals-status thing going with the Ylian, IMO a better spin would be to have Ylian customarily not marry until they've established themselves in their jobs or otherwise built up a reputation in the community.   (Making marriage a sign of status, rather than a requirement for it.)   This meshes more neatly with how most people are going to play (i.e. leveling up a bit, getting to know some people, then maybe deciding to pursue an IC romance).   

[bilbous]

Just role play an abandoned (or abandoning) spouse living on an inaccessible level or something.  People learn to live with their various shames and pretend to be upright all the time. Hypocrisy is the human condition. Ylians are only human aren't they?

[Dau]

Just role play an abandoned (or abandoning) spouse living on an inaccessible level or something.  People learn to live with their various shames and pretend to be upright all the time. Hypocrisy is the human condition. Ylians are only human aren't they?

The problem isn't that there are no ways to get around the marriage requirement.  The problem is it's a bad settings concept.

[bilbous]

I'm sorry but I can't agree. You must be very young to think that, of course I am quite old, born in the fifties, but this is pretty much exactly what the western world looked like to my parents generation. Even today society gives more leeway to those who are married -- more promotions, more raises, more likely to get off with a warning for minor legal infractions. Just because it has been expressed simply doesn't mean there cannot be a whole range of nuances in the practice.

[Dau]

I'm sorry but I can't agree. You must be very young to think that, of course I am quite old, born in the fifties, but this is pretty much exactly what the western world looked like to my parents generation. Even today society gives more leeway to those who are married -- more promotions, more raises, more likely to get off with a warning for minor legal infractions. Just because it has been expressed simply doesn't mean there cannot be a whole range of nuances in the practice.

Dude.  My objection isn't "This is bad because it's not something a society would do", it's "This is bad because it creates roleplay problems".   I'm not sure how to explain it more succinctly.

[Jilata]

Is it just me, or is the page of the enkidukai empty?

[LigH]

Rant:

There is no information in facts like "sector G" for the normal player who doesn't have developer assets documenting sectors.

Nobody cares?