Combat training for Newbies

[novacadian]

The best suggestions seem to be those that suggest more interaction. That is, the group hunts. My character takes out newer characters often. My experience is that you can still be in the same group (for safety purposes) yet the better hunter can go completely defensive and allow the lower level character to get the kill; tanking for them as they do so. It may not be as good as not being in the same group yet most return from her hunts with smile on their faces and no Dakkru's Curse lingering about them.

Feel free to approach her to get invited on one.

P.S, The bow is a natural weapon of the hunter and gives such great range you need never stand toe to toe with most beasts. Venorel rarely uses anything but the bow these days bringing in Naut hides by the wagon load. You may want to consider training in Ranged.

[bilbous]

Instead of selling the hides try to trade them for quality crafted leather armor or take up leatherwork yourself. It is not much of a character stretch to let your hunter have basic familiarity with leather work. If you can make your own equipment from the product of your hunting it saves you money and crafting xp is much better at low levels than hunting in my opinion. In a way it is too bad that such crafts rely on fixed stations so completely as you could surely scrape your hides in the field to allow you to carry more home.

[Minks]

Just a quick hint: Don't train stats first. The higher your stats, the fewer pp you get.

[bilbous]

I find bow use very hard to train, with a standard bow such as a new character has access to you need many levels to hunt worthwhile critters. At level 30 you need to magically enhance your arrows -- flaming weapon and/or electrotouch -- to damage even trepors. Perhaps a little more information on bow hunting specifics could be made as to how to get to the point where you can "bringing in Naut hides by the wagon load." How many hours of training did that take? What kind of bow do you use and did you get there by starting from scratch?

It is possible that I am conflating my experience of training with the well developed main and its much less developed alt but even with a good loot bow the less developed one struggles.

@ level 28 with a standard bow it took 23 arrows to kill a carkerass (16 hits). 14 pp were awarded. character has 100 st and 80 in the others. If I had been closer it would likely have killed me.

[Bonifarzia]

Just a quick hint: Don't train stats first. The higher your stats, the fewer pp you get.

It depends... stats can also lower your training costs, including PP requirements. For combat training, physical stats (stamina, damage factors) can be quite useful although you get less PP per defeated foe.

[bilbous]

It is nice to have some stamina and carrying capacity as well

[Eonwind]

Hi all

I have been playing for about two months now and I am speaking as a Newbie and know it, so don't "noob" me, please.

you're welcome Ylaine! 
thank you for your appreciation and for the critique as well, we (the devs team) know that mobs power level don't exactly scale as we would like, especially in the low to mid levels.
Me and Taya are working on it, but it's a big task and it will take time.
In the meanwhile I suggest to visit the arena where you can test a variety of mobs and challenges to hunt and many of the above suggestion are good as well, especially hunting in group ... I find it always fun

[novacadian]

Perhaps a little more information on bow hunting specifics could be made as to how to get to the point where you can "bringing in Naut hides by the wagon load."

Quoting from The Book-of-Bow, published by the Women's Archery Association and authored by Heolion Krugher and Ketta Kataana, "Kikiri, rats and arangmas are good to begin training with... then clackers, coamti and gobbles. Larger creatures will be impossible to hit for a novice."

One will want to invest in some strength as you would for any other melee training. It will help with damage... yet you are right that not all bows are created equal.

How many hours of training did that take? What kind of bow do you use and did you get there by starting from scratch?

Note sure about hours. The character was well along in weapons training when introduced to the bow. However I took a fairly noobie out the other day and he killed a diseased rat with his first arrow! They probably had some strength training yet only 1 lesson in range itself.

Ven has a 60 in bow at present.

It is possible that I am conflating my experience of training with the well developed main and its much less developed alt but even with a good loot bow the less developed one struggles.

Starting out you will not want a super bow. You want something light and fast. Quantity over quality shots. Get better bows as you advance, following strength increases.

@ level 28 with a standard bow it took 23 arrows to kill a carkerass (16 hits). 14 pp were awarded. character has 100 st and 80 in the others. If I had been closer it would likely have killed me.

Yeah the range is the real advantage! It will take Ven 30-40 arrows to take down a Naut with a good bow doing 150+ max damages per arrow [edit: that hits]. Her strength is 240.

[Rigwyn]

See if you can get a crafted weapon from another player.

[bilbous]

Since when was bow crafting introduced and why haven't I found the quests for the book? Last I heard the only crafted bows were gm items. Try prying those out of someone's cold dead hands...

[novacadian]

Yeah the special bows are from the low lives near the BD. No crafting bows as of yet to my knowledge.

[Rigwyn]

Since when was bow crafting introduced and why haven't I found the quests for the book? Last I heard the only crafted bows were gm items. Try prying those out of someone's cold dead hands...

My bad. I was thinking of a hunter using a sword... Its kind of funny and stupid at the same time as I think about it now.

[bilbous]

well if you are not using a bow (or magic), that would be the way to go...
For now magic seems the best way to hunt

[Ylaine]

you're welcome Ylaine! 
thank you for your appreciation and for the critique as well, we (the devs team) know that mobs power level don't exactly scale as we would like, especially in the low to mid levels.
Me and Taya are working on it, but it's a big task and it will take time.

Thank you Eonwind. Good luck with the work to you and Taya and the entire Dev's Team - as I said before, you're doing a great Job and I love this game. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help!

In the meantime, I will really be looking for hunting parties. Let's see if I can get Kashiha into one...

[bloodedIrishman]

Way I see it, lets just make it so hard the new players will quit after an hour of frustrating gameplay.

Oh, wait...