Is This Game Too Hard?

[Volki]

@Bonifarzia, there is no point in hiding the name of someone who has made their opinion loud and clear.

@Rigwyn, I don't try to interact with them. I don't know who the players are that other players complain about. I didn't ask. Besides, most of them are long gone, and I really don't care enough to look through my logs and convince you of this. Maybe I would be more inclined to do so if you made your position more obvious.

We have a series of changes which address a number of the more frequently commented on issues which players have told us about. The next update should be very pleasing. I had more to say but comments bashing devs don't go down well so don't want to put the effort in to saying more here.

I never bashed the developers. Not once. Eonwind's post was completely off-mark. When I speak about developers, I'm talking about all the developers that have shared my time in this game. I do not know who is currently a dev and who isn't. So I'm not speaking directly about you or Eonwind. And my issue with the "elite" does not include developers.

Not once have I denied that changes have been made. Although you have improved the game in many ways, people aren't going to want to play it if it remains this difficult. That is why this thread was posted. To bring attention to a specific issue that is being ignored.

I feel like my words are being twisted so there might be an excuse to avoid this thread.

[Eonwind]

Missing/Sleeping NPCs: looks like this could make it easier to play the game for everyone http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=6331.
As you can see - even after a long time - the issue was acknowledge and Talad approved the change, so why not trying to ask him about lowering the amount of practice required as I suggested before?

[Sajut]

I think this game is not too hard, but its sometimes very frustrating wich makes it hard to play.

The most frustration is caused by the Quest-System.
Somewhere in Hydlaa: You got a Quest. Please go to an npc at Eagle Bronze Doors then come back to me
Asking around  The Answer: You have to go through the Forest, passing two maps and at the end of map 3 you'll find it.  Passing bdroad1 ... bdroad2 ... finaly at the npc you realize that you have to go the whole way back  You think about using the DR as shortcut  but than struggle under the weight of your inventory  Back at hydlaa you can't find the npc...  Someone tells you that the npc is "in bed" you have to wait some RL-Hours  You quit the game cause you don't have the RL-Time to wait  Another Day, you can find the NPC, he tells you that you have to go to someone in Ojaveda to finish the quest  but hey there is a pterosaurs  it costs 1500 tria you don't have the money so you run again... 

some days of questing, training and leveling later you met someone with a mount who tells you where you can get such a mount you go to the npc, he gives you the quest (you have the ring of familiar quest already done because the pets are so are so cute  ) again running around.. but then you have to find someone named datal he can be found in the winch    many frustrating and annoying quest later you can give datal the letter  but hey he is busy with a plague and can't help you

[Bonifarzia]

Hey Volki, don't take my last post too serious. The part i quoted justlooked really funny to me in that sequence.

Eonwind, I am very happy to see that my ticket on flyspray stimulated some reconsideration. Thanks 

[Pierre]

First, thanks Venalan for describing the proper way for newbs to be helped to gain pp by oldbies, I had no idea it was the fact that I was grouped that made the pp gain impossible.  Grazie mille. 

Loved Boni's statement, "I have the impression that the current devs on the settings and rules side are much more open to suggestions and discussions than it was ever the case during the previous five years or so" because I agree here.  Much work has been done with the tutorial to help newbs, and this thread is proof of how open and awesome the devs are to making the game more fun and gaining more players again, hopefully far surpassing our old numbers.  I'm very happy with the thoughtful responses and ideas, from everyone.  To me it is very clear we are all on the same page as far as the goal, wanting to get more people here to play and to stay.  It's an awesome world.

Tman is dead on with attending to "1. The game is too hard for new players starting out." before anything else.  Excellent post.

Sajut too, excellent.

Male Nolthrirs are darling, speaking of improvements.  Just fought against them in the arena, it's nice to see the Nolthrir couples together there. 

Nothing new, just to say that I'm playing a bit now, and will be extremely happy to see the updates that address some of these issues, the ones we can deal with.  Big  everyone.

[carmenwolf]

Hi all

As a new player with a new char I'm probably best placed to decide if this game is too hard for newbies. But I already got lots of advice from other players so my first advice to newbies is: Talk to as many people as you can. The community - at least those whom I encountered - is generally nice and helpful to new players and will involve you in RP as well which actually is fun!

After playing only a few days I can say I enjoy the game and don't mind the grinding - up until now. I've taken up baking and will take up herbalism to get a nice stock on Trias and PP's before starting off hunting - I've realized that killing rats gives very few of both, not enough to pay for training. What I can't imagine is how you get to develop a hunter-only char without massive help from oldies?? That should be possible for those who want it. I'll keep you posted on any problems I'll encounter as I advance through the game.

Thanks to all the nice people I've met and still are to meet.

PS: Sorry, I've put in my real name as I registered for the forum instead of a fantasy one and know there's no way of changing it - hope it isn't a problem.
PPS: Forgive any english mistakes, I'm not english-speaking.

[bilbous]

take up leather working and armor making. the boots, gloves etc give 2 skills practice and experience.

[carmenwolf]

Thanks Bilbous, I'll go for it - as soon as I'm able to kill riverlings since this is a requirement as I gathered from gossip

[Eonwind]

I'll keep you posted on any problems I'll encounter as I advance through the game.

Thank you! That's very helpful and appreciated!

Thanks Bilbous, I'll go for it - as soon as I'm able to kill riverlings since this is a requirement as I gathered from gossip

No! don't go kill riverlings ... suggestion: find a hunter or a merchant able to provide you what you're asked to provide bu the quest, that's the best way to get you started with leatherworking imo

[carmenwolf]

It's nice to see the dev's care about the players' opinions  You're welcome Eonwind. I think this game is unique in RP and probably also in crafting complexity (though I haven't played enough games to be sure about that) which is something I personally like. I already care about it and will do what I can to help.

Thanks for the advice: I'll try to find someone willing to hunt down some riverlings for me.

One thing I noticed in baking: I'm able to make q300 sand cookies now (not something I'm proud of, mind) but in order to make Trias out of it I can't buy training everytime I rank up. I think that's a pity (even though I'll admit you have to balance money vs XP in most games I encountered). I'd like to see my char (it's Ylyana, btw) advance to higher lvls even as she gains Trias.

[Eonwind]

One thing I noticed in baking: I'm able to make q300 sand cookies now (not something I'm proud of, mind) but in order to make Trias out of it I can't buy training everytime I rank up. I think that's a pity (even though I'll admit you have to balance money vs XP in most games I encountered). I'd like to see my char (it's Ylyana, btw) advance to higher lvls even as she gains Trias.

thanks for telling! we would like the players to be able to gain enough trias and exp by practising the skill. For exp and practice it should be quite balanced, as for item prices it's harder to find the right balance

[Volki]

Not sure if this is a bug, but training empathy is nearly impossible now. (Not exaggerating). You only gain experience from summoning a pet, and then you must wait several minutes before being able to gain experience from summoning again. Pet follow no longer awards experience. I trained my empathy up to rank 27 before the update, and have since not bothered to train it any further until recently. I haven't made any progress, as far as I can tell. And I summon my mount fairly often. Please tell me this was not purposeful. :[

[bilbous]

have you tried any of the more advanced commands like /pet attack or is that not implemented yet?

[Pakarro]

have you tried any of the more advanced commands like /pet attack or is that not implemented yet?

The pet refuses....
(at emp 41)

[Bonifarzia]

I think /pet attack and /pet assist are refused when the target is too powerful, unless your empathy is high enough to force the poor pet to do something really stupid.
I admit, I have not trained any empathy for years and won't do so until my feature request gets implemented.