Author Topic: Coercion of freedom of speech  (Read 9099 times)

gonger

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Re: Coercion of freedom of speech
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2015, 11:34:01 pm »
Everybody please calm down. It has been said repeatedly that there are technical reasons, but no discrimination for the way the marriage button works. Let's not make more of it than there really is.
Still, we should think about whether and with how much effort it is possible to change this, but meanwhile just keep RPing your sexual orientation and identity any way you please.
I believe it was a mistake to delete several messages on this subject, even though they were mainly repetitions of things that had been said before again and again. If you are not interested in some specific thread, just ignore it, but by all means let others speak their mind. After all, it is a minor annoyance (when people repeat their opinions).

Peace, Gonger.

PS My apologies if some of what I said has been repeated x times before or has been made obsolete, but I do not have the time and energy right now to read all those posts in detail. But with some luck I will soon have solved my hard RL quest "The Search for a New Job"!  ;D

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Re: Coercion of freedom of speech
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2015, 11:49:02 pm »
I just don't like such false implications. "You don't allow homo marriages, therefore you must be discriminating them" is just as wrong in game settings and code implementation as they are in the German language. Nouns have a gender in my language because the language developed that way, not because we want to discriminate people who don't match the gender of a word describing e.g. their profession. Limiting a speech to the use of only one gender does not mean to discriminate the other, it only means to keep the speech fluent and reduce complexity.

This is very off topic. The people who are complaining here would not be the people complaining about language discrimination, if such a thing exists.

Same for software implementations: Less probable constellations are not ignored to discriminate them, but to reduce the complexity of the code, to avoid bugs caused by higher complexity. You already know how to circumvent these limits: Ignore the technical implementation.

This is where you are wrong. The code would be simplified by allowing same-sex marriages. Currently lines are added on to specify which type of marriage is allowed. The code Donari posted looks very easy to manipulate and simplify. I could understand it and my level of coding is noob at best.

And it was implemented for technical reasons. Not for discrimination.

This is true, however, given that this is 2015 and not 2005, it could be interpreted as discrimination to allow marriage between heterosexual couples while denying marriage between homosexual couples. And considering that the code could be easily fixed by either allowing any player to marry any other player or otherwise removing the code completely, refusing to change the code could be seen as ignoring the wishes of the majority of the community. And it very obviously makes some players feel unwelcome.
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Re: Coercion of freedom of speech
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2015, 12:43:56 am »
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This is very off topic. The people who are complaining here would not be the people complaining about language discrimination, if such a thing exists.

You are very off topic Sarras/Volki. Actually you all are off topic since the topic is about complains for not being allowed to speak... which is very funny and ridiculous since the same people complaining about that have just filled pages and pages about things that have been already addressed enough times.

Not to mention the fun fact many of the would-be-complainer have actually managed to collected enough in-game infractions and bans to deserve a lifetime ban in any other game (including commercial ones) but they've never received.
Looks like their freedom to speak is healthy and in good shape.

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Re: Coercion of freedom of speech
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2015, 12:58:28 am »
Again. Some of us are legitimately and peacefully arguing a point.

The few of us mudslinging, please stop.

I would be down with locking this thread and just starting up a request for the feature to be removed, however >.>
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Volki

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Re: Coercion of freedom of speech
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2015, 01:05:59 am »
Not to mention the fun fact many of the would-be-complainer have actually managed to collected enough in-game infractions and bans to deserve a lifetime ban in any other game (including commercial ones) but they've never received.

I've never been banned from any other game I've played, and my behavior is far worse on other games than it is here. I'm forced to be someone I'm not here. A number of times I have been banned and kicked for rules that do not exist in other games. So it's no wonder that a number of us would have infractions.

Nice ad hominem, by the way. Let's stay on the topic that posters in the thread wish to discuss.
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