Author Topic: Metal for Armour  (Read 2281 times)

Kuiper7986

  • Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 1031
    • View Profile
Metal for Armour
« on: June 12, 2003, 03:38:13 am »
Here\'s an idea about type of metal for armours and weapons from strongest to weakest:
Bronze
Brass
Iron
Steel
Silver
Pewter
Mythril
(Of course there would be more)


Steel is important so I think there should be more than one type of steel:
Traditional Steel
Tool Steel
Krupp Steel
Stainless Steel
Spring Steel
Damascus Steel
My name is NOT pronounced, \"Kway-per,\" it\'s pronounced \"Kye-per.\"

Fanomatic2000

  • Hydlaa Notable
  • *
  • Posts: 615
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2003, 11:49:39 am »
Mythril is a metal created by Tolkien, a metal that is specific for his world (can even be found in ronescapes for some reason) and should not be used here.

It would be better if you came up with something unique instead of just mention the most common metals.
Why not add adamite as well?

BTW. Is silver stronger than steel?
« Last Edit: June 12, 2003, 02:05:56 pm by Fanomatic2000 »


Be a member of our Mirthful community.
Join us today!   :]

Note:  This is my old account. I am now known as \"Jadd\".

Caldazar

  • Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 1413
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2003, 12:30:18 pm »
Mithril exists in almost every fantasy-rpg. With a couple of exceptions. Although I agree that it shouldnt be used in this game.

EDIT: spelling..
« Last Edit: June 12, 2003, 12:30:39 pm by Caldazar »
Browsing the forums when I\'m bored, nothing more.

Solaire

  • Hydlaa Resident
  • *
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2003, 11:45:03 pm »
Quote
strongest to weakest:
Bronze
Brass
Iron
Steel
Silver
Pewter
Mythril


ok: i\'m confused now. Isn\'t it the other way around ? Yeah, we should come up with some PS kinda metal: how about we could add some crystal swords like in diablo ? I really liked the way that looked. Besides, theres plenty of crystals in the PS world right ?  ;)

:: contact: e-mail me
:: webpage: under construction

tygerwilde

  • Hydlaa Notable
  • *
  • Posts: 739
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2003, 12:32:15 am »
dude, you\'re whacked if you think bronze is stronger than iron or steel, steel is the strongest natural metal known to man. and composites like adamantium(yes it exists, composite steel and aluminum if i remember correctly) are unknown in a fantasy setting

mythril wasn\'t specifically created by tolkein however, mythril is gaelic for silver, he merely changed it\'s properties to be magical silver, of elvish design

I agree with one thing on that list, pewter should definitely be on the bottom... unless you add tin, which is about the only weaker metal
we are the music-makers, we are the dreamers of dreams - Gene Wilder as willy wonka

Johnny Depp\'s a poser to the throne. No one will ever play the part as well as Gene Wilder

Fanomatic2000

  • Hydlaa Notable
  • *
  • Posts: 615
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2003, 02:21:29 am »
He must have meant from weakest to strongest.

Anyway Both Mythril and elfs was created by Tolkien. He started it all, and created fantasy as we know it today with elfs, halflings, orcs, mythril etc.
Mythril was the strongest material in the lord of the rings, but also very easy to work with. Therefore it was also very expensive.
However Tolkien was the creator of Mythril, and many fantasy games took after him, just like they did with typical fantasy races like elfes, dwarfs (the fantasy dwarfs), orcs, halflings etc.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2003, 02:22:59 am by Fanomatic2000 »


Be a member of our Mirthful community.
Join us today!   :]

Note:  This is my old account. I am now known as \"Jadd\".

Bonez

  • Hydlaa Resident
  • *
  • Posts: 198
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2003, 03:01:27 am »
leather, plate mail, silver mail, chaos mail, chain mail..
leather is obviously leather plate would be steel silver being silver chaos some rare magical metal chain mail being steel rings... got it from a great game elkardian
Join the Legendary Warriors at http://www.legendarywarriors.tk and feel real power and wealth

zinder

  • Hydlaa Resident
  • *
  • Posts: 193
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2003, 06:05:10 am »
plate mail, chain mail arent materials, they are designs for armor.
beside leather and metals i would like wood, bones, crystals and felt(word? i mean those pressed, not weaved cotton material, its really good against arrows and hard to cut.)

tygerwilde

  • Hydlaa Notable
  • *
  • Posts: 739
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2003, 07:24:12 am »
fanomatic
Anyway Both Mythril and elfs was created by Tolkien

you know, that\'s awfully strange, elves were an anchient celtic myth, just as dwarves, borog, and trolls were from nordic mythos, and satyre, as well as nymphs and medusae were grecian mythos

tell me, do you think that fairys and halflings (another word for hobbit, which WAS a tolkien creation) were invented by SSI? most of these things have been in legends for thousands of years, a few of these creatures are older than writing.
we are the music-makers, we are the dreamers of dreams - Gene Wilder as willy wonka

Johnny Depp\'s a poser to the throne. No one will ever play the part as well as Gene Wilder

Ajatollah

  • Wayfarer
  • *
  • Posts: 7
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2003, 01:20:49 pm »
Tolkien simply collected the parts for his mythos from those around Europe. Afaik, most of his creatures and races can be traced into some old stories. And every nation has their ghosts, pixies, gnomes and elves. I believe the names (troll, fairy, gnome) are quite often just different names to same \'creatures\'. But the creatures might be different by culture.

But back to the topic:
The list seems odd. You would place pewter above steel and Iron? I\'d change the list this way: [from strongest to weakest, respectably]

Mithril - Steel - Iron - Bronze - Silver - Brass - Pewter (tin?)
Though we could add some materials like wood and cloth (in different forms), and bone of course. I could imagine that cloth isn\'t suitable for weapons, but it can be made into an armour. :)

---
But there are some points I could take up. Now let\'s see, if steel has been invented, there would not be many reasons to use any other materials, except special properties and price. For cheap armour/weapon, use Iron which is very prone to rust. For special and magical properties, use silver (let\'s be Tolkienish and keep Mithril as a form of silver). Now a weapon made completely out of silver wouldn\'t be good, since silver is such a soft material (silver dagger against a steel plate?). So let\'s use \'silvered\' weapon instead. A blade which has silver veins added on it, to deliver the desired effect (kill \'em werewolves!).
For armour, I don\'t quite have a point why to use silver, unless it also has defensive magical properties.

>>>end_of_rant

zinder

  • Hydlaa Resident
  • *
  • Posts: 193
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2003, 10:21:31 pm »
other reasons for nonsteel armor are weight and religion/believe.

Kuiper7986

  • Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 1031
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2003, 01:45:32 am »
oops I must\'ve put Pewter in the wrong area, sorry.....well I do know that Pewter is expensive, that\'s about it, I always thought Pewter was like Porcelain type material. Well you could add wood as an armour, like Mokujin from Tekken 3, bleh, only thing for wood would be a shield, instrument, bow and arrow, and swords, staff, or Rod.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2003, 01:47:15 am by Kuiper7986 »
My name is NOT pronounced, \"Kway-per,\" it\'s pronounced \"Kye-per.\"

tygerwilde

  • Hydlaa Notable
  • *
  • Posts: 739
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2003, 03:11:27 am »
pewter is a metal that is most often used in statuettes and figurines, it\'s soft enough to be easily sculpted, but will hold it\'s shape, unless banged, whereas some other soft metals will bend under their own weight easily.

in other words, it\'s actually unlikely to be used as an armor in any way, unless it\'s a decorative peice.
we are the music-makers, we are the dreamers of dreams - Gene Wilder as willy wonka

Johnny Depp\'s a poser to the throne. No one will ever play the part as well as Gene Wilder

Xandria

  • Hydlaa Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 453
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2003, 05:46:14 pm »
Well, one thing that I think would be cool would be composite materials.  In real life, alloys are used to take the properties of two or more differenent metals and combine them to form one material with some properties of each.

I think it would be cool in Planeshift if:
- Each metal has a stength value (how hard it is, so how much damage it can take)
- Each metal has a weight value (how light it is, some characters prefer lighter armor above all, though this in most cases be inversely proportional to strength)
- Each metal has some \'special\' characteristic (maybe it absorbs some amount of magic damage, takes less damage from demonic/holy weapons, etc.)
- When you are creating metals used for smithing, you can melt together different metals to gain some properties of each metal (so if iron was high in strength and weight, and absorbs 10% fire damage, and tin is low in strength and weight, and absorbs 20% damage from holy weapons, then the resulting alloy would be medium strength, medium weight, absorbs 5% fire damage and 10% damage from holy weapons (assuming you use a 50/50 combination, otherwise the values would be different)

Just a thought  8)

How I set my timezone:

ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Antarctica/Davis /etc/localtime

tygerwilde

  • Hydlaa Notable
  • *
  • Posts: 739
    • View Profile
(No subject)
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2003, 06:19:09 pm »
that would probably be an alchemists job there... still, composites weren\'t truly understood until modern times, about the only thing known about them was that gold could be made stronger and varied in shade and hue by melting them wild silver, nickel, brass or zinc. beyond that, very little was known about combining the strengths of metals.
we are the music-makers, we are the dreamers of dreams - Gene Wilder as willy wonka

Johnny Depp\'s a poser to the throne. No one will ever play the part as well as Gene Wilder