US Election 2016

[Rigwyn]

the AI topic would we great for another thread. I'm very interested in and but am holding back.

[LigH]

BTW... the criteria to select the muslim states the entry ban applies to is totally justified!

[Rigwyn]

I'll just drop this here:

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration#.S6DqpAGlD

[Volki]

BTW... the criteria to select the muslim states the entry ban applies to is totally justified!

That list was compiled long before any presidential candidates were announced for the recent election. But Rigwyn probably got to that point first.

[LigH]

As far as I understood, this list was made earlier, but for a different purpose; at least not for a complete travel ban (which is partially unjust, as judges ruled in several cases).

By the way, there are a few more non-accidents. Chapter 6 points into an interesting direction...



Fear and Loathing in United Soviet America!

Just because you Americans are more afraid of Communism than of Fascism. Generalization FTW.

[cdmoreland]

No, we Americans are afraid of socialism no matter the form. Obama gave us a big dose and it made us sick.

[Rigwyn]

Fascism - do we need to consult the dictionary? You are usually very good about carefully choosing your words. Trump is trying to make America amenable to businesses.under Obama's rule, jobs and businesses left the country for this reason. Outsourcing can be good but too much is very bad.

Fear of socialism - Yeah, I'm afraid of socialism and rightly so.

Putin - would you rather the US have a business relationship with Russia or a nuclear bloodbath? I would side with trump in choosing a business relationship if possible.

[MishkaL1138]

Under Obama's rule, jobs and businesses left the country for this reason. Outsourcing can be good but too much is very bad.

[citation needed]

[cdmoreland]

Under Obama's rule, jobs and businesses left the country for this reason. Outsourcing can be good but too much is very bad.

[citation needed]

Those of us who live here have watched it happening.

[Rigwyn]

I can get you a list later. Some examples are our steel and auto manufacturing industries, apple, Microsoft and many it jobs. Manufacturing  in general has moved to China and Mexico.  Telephone jobs like phone Tech support jobs moved to India. Where possible, us businesses try to save money by outsourcing at our country's expense.

The latest trend is basing your business in the Cayman islands, Ireland or other countries who offer businesses lower tax rates and less. By doing this, businesses pay the US zero dollars in taxes and another country a smaller rate like 10 percent. That's a huge sum for big companies like Apple.

This also means that US citizens need to pay more in taxes to make up for this.

[MishkaL1138]

I can get you a list later. Some examples are our steel and auto manufacturing industries, apple, Microsoft and many it jobs. Manufacturing  in general has moved to China and Mexico.  Telephone jobs like phone Tech support jobs moved to India. Where possible, us businesses try to save money by outsourcing at our country's expense.

The latest trend is basing your business in the Cayman islands, Ireland or other countries who offer businesses lower tax rates and less. By doing this, businesses pay the US zero dollars in taxes and another country a smaller rate like 10 percent. That's a huge sum for big companies like Apple.

This also means that US citizens need to pay more in taxes to make up for this.

So for something that happened during Clinton and Bush's administration, as well as Obama's, and maybe even before them, now Obama is to blame? You mean to tell me a company like Apple, that has been declaring their taxes in countries like Ireland, started doing so when Obama got in the power? Is that it?

The whole "CHINA" argument is getting old. If you don't like Obama, find a more solid ground upon which base your arguments.

[Rigwyn]

Yes, this is a trend that has been happening long before Obama. Under Obama's 8 year term , nothing was done to stop this. He had plenty of time. Previous presidents are just as much to blame, don't get me wrong there. What is unfortunate is that this problem continued to fester for the last 8 years as our national deficit slid from 7.3 trillion dollars in the hole to 19.9 trillion dollars in the hole. I know Obama is not a financial wizard, but as president, it was his job to manage this and hire whoever he might need in order to develop a plan and get this under control. Adding a trillion dollars worth of debt per year is not OK when you don't have an extra trillion dollars per year in income to cover it. It's simple math. This is how you go broke.

Details on US Budget Deficit: 
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

On Budget Deficits by President:
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/030515/which-united-states-presidents-have-run-largest-budget-deficits.asp

Regarding China, it was not the main focus of this post, just an example of countries where our jobs have been exported to. Again, outsourcing and buying products from abroad is not necessarily bad, but if you over do this, the effects can be crippling. 

[Rigwyn]

Under Obama's rule, jobs and businesses left the country for this reason. Outsourcing can be good but too much is very bad.

[citation needed]

Companies that moved overseas under Obama:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/08/27/businesses-move-inversion/
Pfizer
Medtronic
Tim Hortons
Liberty Global
Chiquita Brands
Eaton

From this top 10 list:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/21/10-iconic-us-companies-that-have-moved-headquarters-abroad.html
Burger King
Budweiser
Medtronic
Purina
McDermott (Construction)
Seagate ( Hard drive company )
Good Humor
Frigidaire
Actavis/Allergan
Lucky Strike

Largest Tax Inversions:
http://www.ibtimes.com/five-biggest-tax-inversion-deals-1668382

Regaring Mexico and the Automobile industry:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/15/more-companies-moving-to-mexico-finding-fewer-laborers-to-fill-jobs/

[LigH]

The deforestation of reason continues...

Trump fires government's top lawyer after she defied him on travel ban

Look, coming into this country is still a privilege, we’re the greatest country on earth. And being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right, and it is our duty and it is the president’s goal to make sure that everybody who comes into this country to the best of our ability is here because they want to enjoy this country and come in peacefully.

#WeAreNotWorthy

[Rigwyn]

She disobeyed him. What do you expect? Of course he fired her stupid ass. I would too.

Worthiness? Dude, it sounds like you are reading a lot of news from the political left. In the us, the vast majority of the mainstream news outlets are heavily biased towards the left. To get a balanced view, you need to read news from the right too.