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Zephyrus

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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2003, 12:52:58 am »
Yeah I am English...

Pah, topic, it was a poor topic anyway, obviously no one is going to make a flamers board, verbal abuse and aggressive posts could lead to deep rooted hatreds and feuds throughout our quiet community...

Take for instance recent relations between a certain high-ranking BO member and a certain AO council member. If there had been no restraints on flaming that would of gotten pretty bad, and I have a feeling it could of caused (and may still cause) a slight rift throughout some of the more active members of this fan base. At least this way people have to argue their side properly, instead of just sending all caps hate messages.

My opinion; not a good idea.

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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2003, 12:59:23 am »
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sorry... too serious.... I will try and be more lighthearted, next time...


why sorry to be serious?  some times serious discussions can be fun (well, interesting to talk about anyways), but some people just have an inability to be serious for a little bit.

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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2003, 01:27:16 am »
Flaming is just totally wrong.  And pandering to flamers by giving them their own section should never happen.  Since I have my reasons I thought I would just explain them.

My first point is the flame usually looks quite stupid.  Even if they have a point(they usually don?t) it?s lost in some emotional tirade.  Anybody responding to the flame will respond to the emotion not the point you?re trying to make.  Which comes to my second point.

Flaming somebody will never convince anybody you?re right.  Most people just ignore it(I do).  And the people who read it will either be amused by the stupidity of it all or just wish you hadn?t posted.

This project is on source forage.  Crystal space which is the engine for this game is on source forage as well.  Both these projects are running at 99% to 98% usage.  That makes this project a very high visibility one.  This means some fairly influential and important people to the development team are likely to visit the form from time to time.  Some of these people are perspective coders, people from other development teams, people writing magazine articles about the game, and in some cases some of the true hacking heroes of Linux.  The last thing they want is a flame board!
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2003, 01:54:25 am »
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Flaming is just totally wrong.  And pandering to flamers by giving them their own section should never happen.  Since I have my reasons I thought I would just explain them.

My first point is the flame usually looks quite stupid.  Even if they have a point(they usually don?t) it?s lost in some emotional tirade.  Anybody responding to the flame will respond to the emotion not the point you?re trying to make.  Which comes to my second point.

Flaming somebody will never convince anybody you?re right.  Most people just ignore it(I do).  And the people who read it will either be amused by the stupidity of it all or just wish you hadn?t posted.

This project is on source forage.  Crystal space which is the engine for this game is on source forage as well.  Both these projects are running at 99% to 98% usage.  That makes this project a very high visibility one.  This means some fairly influential and important people to the development team are likely to visit the form from time to time.  Some of these people are perspective coders, people from other development teams, people writing magazine articles about the game, and in some cases some of the true hacking heroes of Linux.  The last thing they want is a flame board!



You\'ve got very good points here and I agree.

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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2003, 04:23:47 am »
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This project is on source forage.  Crystal space which is the engine for this game is on source forage as well.  Both these projects are running at 99% to 98% usage.  That makes this project a very high visibility one.  This means some fairly influential and important people to the development team are likely to visit the form from time to time.  Some of these people are perspective coders, people from other development teams, people writing magazine articles about the game, and in some cases some of the true hacking heroes of Linux.  The last thing they want is a flame board!


If they are that prestigious and good with computers etc. etc.  I don\'t think they would go to a fanbase\'s forum for enlightenment... I\'m sure anyone that \'deep in the world\' would take anything said in the forums with a grain of salt...

(I\'m not in support of flaming... but I just wanted to point that out that)

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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2003, 05:09:00 am »
we don;t want to promote this:
guy A:you a fscking j00n00bitz l0v1ng m0f0
guy b: yeh well i hacked ur comp and deleted all your files.
guy a (from public library):FU
then one guy finds other guy in street pulls a DE.50 and caps him in the face.

i think all flaming should be private in pms and such.
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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2003, 01:50:48 pm »
*sneaks into this thread, treading very carefully looking for anyone throwing rotten tomatoes*

Actually I\'m glad this thread was posted. Obviously, I\'m pointed out as one of the main culprits of partaking in Flaming wars as of late. Firts of all I dislike, no make that despise, flaming wars and I certainly do not believe a flaming forum should even be considered  8o

\"Ok, so why the h*ll did you get involved in some of them then?\" I hear someone ask!
*looks around frantically at everyone asking the question all at once, ready to duck from tomatoes*

Firstly, I really try not to. If I had responded in a flaming mood everytime I got annoyed at people doing less then intelligent and/or ethical things on the forums I would have been history a long time ago. Occasionally, however, someone does something so utterly rash, brash and \"spit-in-your-face\" that I simply loose it .....

This is especially true when someone attacks a third person in a totally unacceptable and \"lower-than-snake-sh*t\" fashion. THAT I cannot take and I simply have to act, both to support the victim but also to support the basis of elementary ethical behaviour. Yes, if anyone is wondering I AM referring to the attack on the Leader of SH that was so bad that the whole thread had eventually been deleted from the forum. (This was NOT Atticus who attacked the SH leader btw - in case somebody gets the wrong idea from posts earlier in this thread).

Anyway before I get rambling on too long and boring again (moogie will slap my hands again and it hurts!  :P ) I suggest we stay miles away from a flamers forum and rather, if anything, implement a Code of Conduct for users on the PS forum that all can voluntarily sign up to. This might help clearly spelling out a standard for what behaviour is acceptable and what not - actually Moogie you would be a good person to take the initiative in something like that as your image is untarnished and you set a good example.

As for the males role-playing females ..... Well this is my first time trying it. But I make no secret of being a male and playing a female. As for being able to take my clothes off  :P (good one Moogie) As a male in real life I have absolutely no problem with taking my clothes off when the occasion call for it and it is fitting in the circumstances. So don\'t expect Illyria to become a strip tease dancer in some tavern soon .....  8) But seriously I find it boring that there are so few female players in RPG\'s and then if there are to be characters that are both female and male some males simply HAVE to play female characters otherwise we will end up with Allibaba and the 70 thieves - ALL male. Also I find it a role-playing challenge to not only play another role but also one of another sex, it is not that easy to do it convincingly.

So, DEATH to Flamers!  

Long live the meek, mild and self-restraining!

Calling all females, calling all females ...... get your cute ar*ses - *ducks from a huge tomatoe with a crystal inside thrown by moogie* - over to PS and roleplay so we can get some sexual balance over here.
 
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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2003, 07:29:18 pm »
/me dubs Wolfman the King of Codes of Conduct.  :)

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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2003, 07:39:10 pm »
heh, if he runs for prime minister here in Denmark, I\'ll surely vote for him :D

*urges Wolfmane to start his political career* :P
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« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2003, 03:16:43 pm »
Holy whack they\'ve got issues!
What\'s the PETA?

Don\'t worry moogie, anyone who\'s been to Essex will know that women can be just as agressive as men :P


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« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2003, 09:42:33 pm »
I was wondering about the PETA too anway isn\'t there that saying \"hell hath no fury like a woman scorned\":evil:??

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« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2003, 10:28:11 pm »
Wolfmane:

I think having a Code of Conduct would be great, not that many users would actually take the time to read it however. Still, it\'s something that should be there to point potential troublemakers at if they start stepping out of line.

As for me writing the code... :P I don\'t think I could do something like that. These things have to be organised and thorough; two things I frequently lack. Besides, I\'m not perfect. Nobody is. I have my faults just like anyone else and although I might be fairly respected in this community, it doesn\'t mean that I always have been.

Basically what I\'m trying to say is that I wouldn\'t like to have this responsibility, as I feel I shouldn\'t make up rules and regulations for everyone else to follow, like I\'m the special \'Perfect Example of Good Manners and Law-Abiding\'. Because I am not.

Upholding rules is another chapter of the book entirely. It\'s like the difference between being the president of a country and a simple traffic warden. You\'re either fit to make up the rules and lead an entire community of people with them, or simply be there to keep an eye on the system and make sure the community abides by those rules.

Given the choice, I wouldn\'t want to be the one who makes up the rules.

...but it was a kind suggestion anyway. :D



(Btw I thought this thread died a long time ago. :tongue: )
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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2003, 05:21:18 am »
Hmmm...I just found this thread *Moogie groans* and hobo-dilly, I had a lot of reading to do. :rolleyes:

Well, I might as well put in my two cents worth on each and every subject mentioned herein.

Chapter 1: Male Chauvinism

It all started a long time a go when some bone-headed, ape-faced excuse for a man decided that he was better than the other \'version\' of his species because he was bigger. This lead to rise of the Dominant Male Image. An image cultivated by man himself, to instill doubt and instability in the minds of women and children for the sole purpose of ensuring his prolonged reign.

For many millenium this image held strong, the monotony broken only by the gifted few. Even those few special people, who had so inspired the \'lesser\' beings, were eventually stamped out. Man was obsessed, neigh, driven by his need to be the superior. Even though many of the leaders would have said otherwise, and they may even have believed it, they did not take the steps to correct the grievous mistreatment of the female division.

This is not to say, however, that women were so physically abused, for in truth the majority were not, but this repression was that of social inhibition. It was frowned upon when women spoke out in public places. It was considered improper for a woman to teach, regardless of whether she had more knowledge than the man. Woman were the housekeepers, nothing more, nothing less.

It was not until the early 1800\'s that women began to realize that they, too, were entitled to both the rights and freedoms that men had. Thus began the female factions now known as women\'s libists. After many decades of hard work, they have finally achieved that which was their goal: Equality.

However, some of these groups thought they deserved more. They continue their slavish work to this day, trying desparately to impose on man the same punishment that he himself had imposed on them not two centuries past. This, I view as not only wrong, but a gross act of revenge. As was earlier stated, though man as a whole have caused the difficulties that women faced, we, as an individual society and a new generation, are not to blame.

I am deeply regretful at the actions of the past, but when it starts to turn around I begin to see that we do not truly learn from our mistakes until we experience them for ourselves. That, and that alone is why history will always repeat itself time and bloody time again.

Chapter 2: Don\'t Be A Flake, Be Yourself

The life of Popculture. So easy is it to loose oneself in the \'cool\' that they forget to take breaks, sit back and relax. Ever meet someone who\'s never serious? Sure they can be fun for a while, but then you start to realize how shallow they really are. If you are never serious, never let yourself get in touch with your emotions, then you will ultimately strangle your emotional self until there is nothing left. You will be a slave to the fad, to the jokes, and to those who can see beyond the gold-encrusted veil.

One the other hand, have you ever met someone who was just a total mushy? (Be quiet Moogie) People who let themselves become too serious too often, will end up missing out on having fun. They will never experience life, the emotions of fun and care-free that make life worth living. People like that will never know what it\'s like to be insulted and not care, to be slandered and have it slide off like water, to be able to look up at your dreams with pride and courage and know, without a doubt, that you have the power to get there.

The ideal personality can maintain the perfect balance of these two things. However, the key is that perfect, as in beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. That is why there are none who can please all the people all the time. (Except maybe Moogie :P)

Chapter 3: Flamers Burn In H3ll

Flaming has been going on ever since someone decided to get a little over-emotional about something and \'let it all hang out\', as it were. This steadily degraded into a cursing match that would never come to any good end.

That is why I am whole-heartedly opposed to the Flamer board. I mean really, if you can\'t think of something better to do than overeact to someone\'s valid opinion and start tossing derogatory (even I got that one right :rolleyes: ) comments, then you obviously need a hobby. Maybe a nice little room in a penitentiary too. Nobody needs to flame. People only end up getting hurt. As in war, in flaming there are no winners.

Chapter 4: Code of Conduct

*Sigh* I am way too tired to finish this right now. I\'ll write this tomorrow when I have time. It\'s nigh midnight and I just don\'t have the strength to continue.

Good stuff. :D I\'ll bbs.

EDIT: I am not even gonna spellcheck this thing. I am waxed. Sorry for any mistakes.
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« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2003, 03:07:14 am »
Sorry, folks, but Chapter 4 is temporarilly suspended until I can actually draft the CoC. :D

Chapter 5: Playing With The Opposite Sex

Now, I don\'t know where some people get their ideas, but let me assure you there is nothing wrong with playing the opposite sex in video games. I haven\'t played a male character in ages except when I didn\'t have a choice. Actually, I have a reason for that. Ever notice that the hero of every story, every game, every movie is usually some big, muscular man? Now that right there\'s a subliminal message if I ever saw one. One time, at the gender choosing stage of character creation, I thought, \"What if w oman could kick that much ass too?\" Well, they don\'t call them fantasy games for nothing. ;) I chose the female and beat the game with it, leaving hordes of impossibly stupid enemies hewn in two behind me.

Besides, the female was put into video games for the male. Lara Croft anyone? Who can honestly say that in Angel of Darkness they had more fun playing as the guy, then her. Well...if you want to get technical, who can honestly say they had fun playing that game. :rolleyes: My point is, women are just starting to get into video games now and female avatars have existed a very long time. ;) Why, I can harken back to the days of Gauntlet on the NES. I believe, if memory serves, the woman was a blob of pixels that more resembled a cow than anything and was armed with an infinite load of axes that she hurled with the might of freight train. They went forever, too. :D

I guess another reason I favour the female sex is that they often specialize in ranged and sneak combat, which is, if you pardon the expression, really my bag. I have tried to use guys for this, but they just came off as sissies. The women in videogames are usually built light and so fit into the role a little better. Another thing. Ever notice how the women in video games have the perfect bodies? Now, really. I know I can\'t be the only one thinking that is utterly rediculous. :rolleyes: That, too, is one of the reasons I play them. No, not for their body, you pig!, but to spite the entire concept that one who has seen such battle as the characters often do can still look like a knockout.

I suppose there are other reasons that I choose the female sex, but they\'re probably a little too deep for public audience. :P Especially when you\'re in a rowdy mood, as I suspect you are. *sits back and waits for the inevitable flame*

More as I write it.

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« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2003, 04:36:02 am »
How did this thread escape my attention? Maybe its because I hate the Hydlaa Plaza forum with an all consuming hatred, or maybe its because I\'m too lazy to throughly read each and every forum.

Anyway, a Code of Conduct is a good idea, but not really nesscary.  Most of us know how to behave in a community without any sory of bible to dictate \"acceptable\" conduct.  In my short time on these forums, I haven\'t seen any overly uncivilized conduct or hateful flames.  This is one of the best communities I\'ve ever had the pleasure to call my home.

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