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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2003, 11:46:52 pm »
Hi seperot,

Again we agree about hacking and hackers. However, you did not declare where you stand on the \"noble\" cause of destroying all new guilds  8o
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« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2003, 11:53:13 pm »
well me thinks a more sutibule idea would work....like say you have had to play the game for a month befor making a guild so in that sence yea sure also included is the hacker noobs guilds they should all burn violent deaths :evil:

so im all for helping as much as i can

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« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2003, 11:58:08 pm »
I\'m still not sur where you stand Seperot, sure death to hackers but to all new guilds??????
 
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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2003, 12:08:22 am »
well if the new guild is made by members that have been around awhile then its fine but these newbie play for a day make a guild thing is not right it causes chaos and confusion so i say dont kill em but cripple them so they can heal up with much more expiciance to build it (if they still whant to)

so bacicly the current newbie guild should not be around cause its just dont work

btw i thought it was the things that you need 10 members to start the guild ect.....what happend to that ?
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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2003, 12:20:27 am »
I must warn any guild(s) that choose to make a crusade out of destroying new guilds, other guilds would not take kindly to such actions.  Where do you draw the line? After you destroy the 1 month old guilds, do you destroy the 1 year old ones?  No guild could sit by and watch as the competition withers away; these actions could result in guild wars of unimagineable size and scope; no guild could stand on the sidelines.

I don\'t speak as a member of a guild, only as a player of this game.  I would hate to see the world that I care so deeply for to fall into perpetual conflict.
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« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2003, 12:33:00 am »
As usual grakrim is right.  (Darn it, he\'s always right!)

Explanation of the Seperot Policy for the Policing of Newbie guilds:
Basically, you can not start a guild until you have been playing for one month.  All guild creators \"Newber\" than that will have to wait or face consequences.  This policy isn\'t too bad actually.


I will oppose any guild to take Annah\'s drastic measures.  I\'m sure there will be even more resistance as well.  Newbie\'s are inoccent until proven guilty, downgrading of anyone with a \"Shoot first, ask questions later\" policy will begin immedietly.  :evil:
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« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2003, 12:40:05 am »
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btw i thought it was the things that you need 10 members to start the guild ect.....what happend to that ?

That still stands Seperot to be an oficial guild in-game on has to have 10 members, the leader has to submit it to the Devs and then the members have to go in-game to be added to the guild by the leader.

So now let\'s look at the \"logic\"  ?(  of this \"noble\" cause of destroying all new guilds. How in the name of all the gods are guilds supposed to get to 10 members in order to get official if they are not allowed to start up, survive grow and prosper because some power-hungry egotistical maniac moron wants to \"Kill\" them all and \"destroy\" them? PS is supposed to be a community in the spirit of open source, free and all are welcome. Now, however there is this idiotic drive to kill of newby guilds and squash all initiative just to satisfy the ego trip of some poor sod that cannot handle competition. I mean really give me a break .... can we really tolerate that kind of behaviour?
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I must warn any guild(s) that choose to make a crusade out of destroying new guilds, other guilds would not take kindly to such actions. Where do you draw the line? After you destroy the 1 month old guilds, do you destroy the 1 year old ones? No guild could sit by and watch as the competition withers away; these actions could result in guild wars of unimagineable size and scope; no guild could stand on the sidelines. I don\'t speak as a member of a guild, only as a player of this game. I would hate to see the world that I care so deeply for to fall into perpetual conflict.

Thank Heavens we have players like you around Grakrim, at least some sanity around here. Some ppl think that just because they have been around for a long time it should accord them some kind of special status. When they don\'t get the \"respect\" they themselves believe they are entitled to, they start throwing their toys out of the playpen, hence this wonderful thread ....

Annah you better start to retract your stupid campain or it will cost you dearly in the end, this is shooting yourself in the foot BIG TIME. Quite frankly I am past the point of worrying about what you do to yourself but think of the consequences for BO and its members.
 
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« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2003, 12:54:54 am »
Ok people, I\'m reading Annah\'s post much differently then everyone here is...you all have seen his other posts, and sometimes he says things wrong, but so far I\'ve read this post and I don\'t see that he says ALL new guilds...he says guilds who do not even now what PS is or respect it, not just any new guild.

I may be wrong...but until Annah comes on and says so, I would suggest that these pointless posts  stop (Annah has already said he doesn\'t care what you all say...) and just wait for his reply.

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« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2003, 01:00:26 am »
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Basically, you can not start a guild until you have been playing for one month. All guild creators \"Newber\" than that will have to wait or face consequences. This policy isn\'t too bad actually.

Ok that explains it better, I see the point. I\'m not sure I agree with it though. Many ppl that come to PS have been playing MMORPG\'s for years and many have been part off and/or led guilds somewhere else. They have more experience than someone who might have been in PS a month or longer. So the criteria in my view is snobbish. Natural selection is a very effective way of sorting guilds out. Good ones with active and committed members will survive and prosper. Bad ones without what it takes will fail, end of story. I simply don\'t see the need for this \"Let\'s-hate-all-Noob\'s\" attitude. How about making them feel welcome, anybody thought of that?

If one has a good strong guild with active members, not just ones on paper btw, one would not need to feel threatened by newby\'s or new guilds or for that matter a new guild started by a newby(s). Annah wants to destroy all NEW GUILDS, that most certainly includes Arcane Order that has grown very fast, has many active members and is already an official guild though still fairly new as guild. Annah is p\'ed off by that and the fact that our members have shown him up for what he is and commented on his ridiculous actions on many occasions.

The point of this entire thread being started was NOT to stop newbies from starting new guilds. Rather, Annah wants revenge and, once again, to attract attention to himself. He seems to need that like a junkie needs heroin! So this whole farce is about trying to blame us for this hacking he claims happened. If there was a hacking time will bear out that AO had nothing to do with any of it but that would not matter \'cause Annah now has, in his mind, an excuse to go after \"the competition\".

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« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2003, 01:10:18 am »
ah i think you missed one thing if ever person newbie or other makes a guild planeshift will be stuck with one man strifes aganced each other by limiting them it gives them time to settle in get to know people my idea is a way of cutting the possibul flow  of \"lets create a guild  for me and my freind\" and mabie let other guilds fill there ranks

idk im rabbling its midnight im tried give me a break

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« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2003, 01:26:05 am »
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he says guilds who do not even now what PS is or respect it, not just any new guild.


ROFL how can you say that?!  His guild doesn\'t even follow that simple guidlines... BO is a Planeshift and MORTIK guild!  how can you roleplay that?  That sort of \'guild\' which \'crosses\' between games is usually either all about powergaming or ooc-players... I\'d love to see how they explain how their guild exists in both games simultaneously in-character...  And no I wouldn\'t believe any such reasonings if I was buried in them :P

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« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2003, 01:43:40 am »
erm...do you not play more then one mmorpg at one time?

I\'m not going to keep defending Annah, as I\'m not sure I even agree with him until he makes it more clear...and besides it\'s not my job...I\'m just saying wait a little bit as it is getting annoying everyone posting \"We hate Annah, etc. etc.\" I think everyone gets the picture, and all your really doing is arguing with someone who already said he does not care.

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« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2003, 01:50:41 am »
look if he is going to post about \'going to war\' he should expect just a little negative feedback and be able to take a stance against such feedback.  Did he think we would all be gungho about knocking off the \'newbie guilds\'?

I think it is safe to say that most of the guilds currently in existence are in full support of any and all new guild efforts since they add to the depth of this community.  Wolfmane and the Arcane Order have shown a commitment to encouraging the foundation of new guilds...  Annah\'s statement is completely unwarranted.  And even worse, we havn\'t been givin any reason to believe the hacker story at this point.  If Annah is to come forward with anything at all, he should at least bring such evidence to light.

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« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2003, 01:53:12 am »
well than venge should deleat this thread and we should never talk to annah becuase he don\'t care


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« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2003, 01:56:52 am »
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well than venge should deleat this thread and we should never talk to annah becuase he don\'t care


haha, that part is sort of confusing... why would you \'go to war\' if you don\'t care?  I forgot that part in my last post.