Kran=Karn?

[Kiern]

Originally posted by boonet
you would be surprised to know who did it, since the first incarnations of Planeshift (with those names and concept art too of course) existed and were public before expansions to other games were out.

Yes...I know...I\'m messing with the new people

[Drilixer]

well I\'d like to point out that conceptually Planeshift began coming together in 1992 (correct me if I\'m wrong it was some obscenely old number when I was still a weeee munchkin and didn\'t have (much less want) internet access).  So just like the previous MTG discussions it doesn\'t matter since Planeshift outdates them.

[Kiern]

...and boonet just said that

[Drilixer]

Originally posted by Kiern
...and boonet just said that

without the cool 1992 number

[Kiern]

1992 is anything but cool

[KwartzTheKran]

Id say as far as numbers go its at least relatively cool
far better than 4432

[Davis]

When did they invent the Kran though?  MTG came out in 1993. The planeshift expansion came out in 2001 I think. Karn was 1996 maybe? Whenever the Weatherlight expansion was.

[Grakrim]

It doesn\'t really matter anyway, they\'re 2 completely different things.  Firstly, Karn is one artifact creature and part of the Legacy; the Kran is an entire living race.  Secondly, Karn is made out of silver; the Kran are made out of Silicon.  Thirdly, Karn is a very strict pacifict (following the accidental murder of a child, I believe.)  And finally, Karn was actually fairly intelligent, I believe; the Kran on the other hand...  Although, much of these points were already hit on in the past.

Anyway, did Urza actually make Karn? Weren\'t some parts of the Legacy (i.e. the Weatherlight) not constructed by Urza, but merely collected by him?  Its been some time since I knew all these useless facts about M:tG\'s setting, so I may be mistaken.

By the way, what was the name of that goblin? Started with a \'S\', I think...

[Davis]

Squee was the goblin cabin hand.
And Urza did design the Weatherlight; however, the actual building was done by Multani.
Urza built Karn, but he didn\'t know how to make a mind that advanced. All Phyrexians have a \"heart\" in Phyrexia that contains their mind. Urza used the heart of a Phyrexian outcast named Xantcha which he found the first time he tried to destroy Phyrexia to give Karn his intelligence.
Karn was originally built to be used with the time machine Urza created, when he figured out that silver wasn\'t destroyed when going through the machine.
I have read every MTG book from the original storyline except Apocolypse. No, I am not a MTG nerd.

[Xalthar]

The brothers war series are the best MTG novels IMO...

[Davis]

Jeff Grubb is the best MTG author. Unfortunately, he has to spend a lot of time writing D&D rulebooks (though, of course, that means the D&D rulebooks come out great).
Jeff Grubb only wrote one book in the Brother\'s War series: The Brother\'s War. Which is the best book in the series? The Brother\'s War, first book.
However, Jeff Grubb also wrote the three Ice Age books. Not coicidentally, these are some of the best MTG books.
In conclusion, Ice Age cycle is cooler than Brother\'s War series because Jeff Grubb wrote more of the books.

[EDIT: Maybe I am an MTG nerd an never noticed it...]