The Cabal : The second coming

[Tranor]

Originally posted by Draklar
Would you find it easy to torture someone, delivering him lots of pain, with no good reason at all (or just for fun)? and how about slaughtering lots of innocent people?

Yea Drak... I do it on a daily basis, its called GTA 3 and VC!!

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Xalthar
Tell me then, who made up these perceptions? it is just something you associate with evil and good.. but it doesn\'t nessesarily have to be good or evil.. all that lie in the eyes of the beholder..

Well look with eyes of one that is neutral, he\'s in center. One like that is the best point of looking at this:
One that helps you is good, while one that kills you for your money is evil. Good is the way of light, while evil of darkness.
It doesn\'t matter that evil person will see his deeds as good, globally those will be seen as evil.

[Kada-El]

Originally posted by Xalthar
all that lie in the eyes of the beholder..

Nah, Draklar is right. We all instinctively know exactly when we are doing good or doing bad, perhaps this is just the conditioning of society, but it is the society we live in and deep down we know exactly what we are doing.

I also believe that there is such a thing as a truly altruistic act (doing a totally selfless deed for the benfit of someone else). There are many who don\'t and maintain that any kind or good act is ultimately done for selfish reasons e.g. it makes you feel good, or you\'ll get something out of it in the end - while in reality it is perhaps a very rare thing I still think it exists.

True evil was perhaps represented best here in my mind when we had Zaylik here - he was totally in character virtually all of the time made no apologies for his actions and cared for nothing apart from his own ascension to power and his twisted almost religious belief in himself. He got quite a bit of stick from those who just observed him as arrogant and didn\'t quite get the fact he was playing a character (and playing it very well).

[Auran]

Yes, good does exist and have an identity. But that identity is born of consensus. Most people in this world have a similar moral yard stick and so they measure good or evil similarly. I am no exception. But given a situation where the world was populated by the so called \'perverts\' and \'psychopaths\' then good would have had some other definition. I have to admit that i have to agree with you about what is good but I refuse to admit the it has a unique and altruistic identity.  

And being good IS easier. It is easy for the simple reason that you are at ease with your  conscience and have support of the masses.
 
BTW- playing GTA and VC isn\'t being evil. Its about getting your adrenaline pumping( kinda like jumping off a cliff). Never played the stuff myself anyhow, gameplay too shallow for my liking. I am a hardcore RPGamer and am proud of it.

I also dont think pure evil is actually how it is thought to be. The chaotic bit essentially reeks of stupidity. Why should a pure evil guy be wantonly destructive. I think pure evil will have a keen intellect associated with it. And that will prevent it from doing typical evil cliches like slaying everyone. Why bother? Most people are weak and willing to worship the rising sun. So instead of wiping everyone out try to corrupt them. That would poison the society forever and sterilise any seeds of good that might ever sprout.

to draklar

Maybe the blind beggar was going to buy booze with the money and the guy  who took it needed it to feed his family. Who can be a judge when we are all suffering from our predefined notions of proper conduct?

[Tranor]

this guy makes post that are a million bagillion years long about pointless things... i wonder if he really has a life? at all...

[Auran]

Alas brother I do have a life. And it makes me think. I cant do anything without thinking. Even playing a game. I figure that thinking is the only real reason for my existence besides conveying my thoughts. Hence sometimes the  philosophical gazzillion year long posts. I want to say it all in one post so others can comprehend and decide if I am right or wrong.  

but what my friend Tranor said here makes me think. I do have a pretty busy life and I have an extremely important assignment coming up. So i\'ll take the leave of everyone for an indefinite period of time. I\'ll post and play when I get the time. Keep the thread alive ppl. Maybe i\'ll come back sooner than i think. who knows?

I will be monitoring Cabal activity though. You can rest assured that my guild wont go neglected. I\'ll be in touch with you, my Cabali brethren. if not through the forum then via email. So join up all those who want to:)  

[seperot]

**points out the fact that Auran is the only one who  seems to keep up his jerk guild **

[Draklar]

Originally posted by seperot
**points out the fact that Auran is the only one who  seems to keep up his jerk guild **

Well you can\'t know that...
There might be people playing Planeshift that are actually members of Cabal. And if you say that because of their activity on PS forums then you might also say, that i\'m the only one that keeps up Defenders

[Xalthar]

Once again I ask, who gave you these ways of looking upon the world?

You feel the things you described as being good, but why do you call them good? what is \"good\".

An action can be \"good\" to one part, whilst at the same time be \"evil\" to another.. What then, defines the true moral value of the action?

All human actions are viewed upon through a moral codex. No actions by non-human entities are viewed upon through a moral codex..

[Caldazar]

Originally posted by Auran
Shadowhand suck

Now thats just plain stupid. What makes you think that we dont have lots of spies in every large guild existing?

[Auran]

I know what is what  Comerade Caldazarovsky.  We have inside information about you and the AO .

\' Suck\' doesnt have any particular context in this case. I was going through the shadowhand thread and felt you guys havent earned your reputations. For example what are you guys doing about PKing and stealing not being implemented. What\'ll you guys do for a living? Do the happyhappyjoyjoy dance at a Chippendale joint:D. I tried raising the issue once, but people here are held fast by their fixation on their own particular brand of justice and fairness.

BTW-

Xalthar is a man after my own heart. His affinity for magniloquence and his literary flourishes are par excellence. His statement couldn\'t have been more nebulous nor his meaning more obscure to the general populace.

to all-

My in-game character isnt called Auran. I have this silly affinity towards my skin that makes me want to preserve it.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Xalthar
An action can be \"good\" to one part, whilst at the same time be \"evil\" to another.. What then, defines the true moral value of the action?

well ok, i agree that something that is evil for one can be considered to be good by another, but...

Originally posted by Draklar
 i think that being pure evil is as hard as being pure good.

I was saying about being good person, and being evil person.
good is something that is desired, or liked. So for someone that is \"bad\" stealing can be good - that\'s right. Although what you think doesn\'t change how others perceive you.
So what makes you evil/good person is how you influence your surroundings. If things that you do are desired or liked by other people, you are consired to be good person, but if your deeds bring hate, you\'re evil.

Edit: ok, now that i think about it...
something that is evil for one and can be seen as good for other can\'t be good deed.
Let\'s say that you stolen money from blind beggar - that would be evil since this thing was bad for beggar (nevermind that he would buy a booze - stealing is stealing), from this point generally you can do 3 things with those money: give them to people that really need it (then this deed generally would be more like neutral), spend them on yourself (evil with touch of neutral), or just throw it away to some sewers or something (pure evil).
That\'s just my point of view.

[Caldazar]

\' Suck\' doesnt have any particular context in this case. I was going through the shadowhand thread and felt you guys havent earned your reputations. For example what are you guys doing about PKing and stealing not being implemented. What\'ll you guys do for a living? Do the happyhappyjoyjoy dance at a Chippendale joint

Personally, I dont give a rats ass if stealing is allowed or not. And PKing, well, it will be allowed in certain areas. Plus, that horse has been beaten so many times it\'s time to let it rest for awhile, better come back when \"the evil persons\" have a good system for PK.

[Auran]

Whoa! Crap! Shadowhand isn\'t active at all is it? You dont give a rat\'s ass. You are supposed to be theives El Mano Caldazaro! Anywho..... none of my business then.

I also learned just now that there aint no levelin\'. Now I suppose nobody thinks that thats odd except me.?(

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Auran
I also learned just now that there aint no levelin\'. Now I suppose nobody thinks that thats odd except me.?(

and you don\'t think it\'s odd that you gain skills in healing, while all you were doing was fighting with sword?