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« Reply #75 on: October 12, 2003, 08:06:17 am »
sounds kinda like chaotic allignment to me :P
I mean chaotic is about freedom, adaptability, and flexibility.
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« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2003, 08:51:45 am »
i like that thats a very cool way of doing things so noone feels restrained by there guild rank.

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« Reply #77 on: October 12, 2003, 11:39:13 am »
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sounds kinda like chaotic allignment to me :P
I mean chaotic is about freedom, adaptability, and flexibility.


yup.. If they were to ever be branded a specific alignment, Chaotic Neutral would indeed be it :P

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« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2003, 01:17:42 pm »
i want to join  :)

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« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2003, 08:04:20 pm »
2 pages of old, rotting, smelly spam cleared from this thread. Sorry I\'m late, Kada.

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« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2003, 11:13:32 pm »
2 pages cleared and still four pages here..

in the name of the Ordo: thank you for clearing those 2 :)


EDIT: make that five :)
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« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2003, 06:03:06 pm »
Well if the Cable want to be hated, let\'s hate them. Best way to do that is to ignore them to death, so if they post don\'t respond at all just delete it.

Anyway, Ordo is a great concept and you lot seem to be a nice bunch so let\'s get the thread back onto something constructive.

I was wondering what angle the guild intends to take in Yliakum? In other words, are you going to act mainly as a unit pursueing common goals or is the alliance looser in the sense that each members pursues their own goals and you all helping each other with that. Not that I want to pry and if this is sensitive then just ignore me too  :D

So many guilds intend to get power and dominate the world, although I think it highly unlikely that any will ever succeed since gameplay is unlikely to make that possible. Very few actually have constructive goals and the aim of achieving something.

For example in AO one of our goals is to build a library on Magic. It will be private and collect as much knowledge on magic in Yliakum as possible. Yet it will be open to a select few that have shown a true commitment to magic. In otherwords working for a cause that has a value of it\'s own in Yliakum.

Well if you are not confused yet .... I have to stop anyway cause Moogi hates longwinded post.  :D

BTW Xolon I did answer your question in OI forum on the song I quoted.
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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2003, 11:37:40 am »
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i want to join  :)


Rule #1 - Joining the Guild.

The only way for an individual to become a member of Ordo Illuminatis is for an existing member to put forward a proposal to the Council via the organisational hierarchy. The Council will then take a vote on the potential member and if successful decide upon the position the new recruit will occupy in the guild structure (refer to the Structure page for further information on the lifecycle of a member).

So, you have to get someone inside help you get in. Sorry.

Edit: Post messed up. :P
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« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2003, 12:42:29 am »
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I was wondering....
Oops a question I have missed, sorry Wolfmane. Ah well the guild post could do wih a bump anyway ;)


My vision is that the structure of the guild is such that it is an organisation that can provide the most effective network of support for its members in terms of skills, materials, resources and protection to allow those members to concentrate and specialise on those skills in which he or she excels, each House with it?s different skills working together to support each other, thus ensuring the guild as a whole has a wealth of knowledge and a mastery of many disciplines. We hope that the guild?s progress, mastery and discoveries will be instrumental in the advancement of all Yliakum civilisation, not just OI.
I hope that this overall non-aligned structure gives individuals a great deal of freedom, to RP their characters exactly how they choose, as long as that doesn\'t conflict with the guild\'s interests of course ;)
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« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2003, 04:16:25 am »
i just felt like adding a comment about that non alligned beeing neutral discussion.
pure evil can never rule all for true evil means chaos and chaos cannot be controlled,thus it will become weak one day and be overwhelmed starting from zero.
pure good means stagnation for pure good does not tolerate chaos.
but chaos is also change and progression.
true neutral wants to keep balance at all cost and chaotic neutral is something like beeing selfish,not caring about black or white.
now the idea of OI,if i get it right,is to support its members no matter how they live their lifes.
and it is not their intention to balance nor to just linger through life looking for personal advantages.
it is just a home you can rely on,go back and relax.
someone helping you and helping the whole of ps as long as noone steps on their foot.(german expression i hope it makes sense:))
gosh difficult to explain in english,hope you get my point.
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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2003, 04:42:22 am »
Pure evil is not chaos; the truest evil is complete selfishness.

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« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2003, 11:32:12 am »
and if everybody is beeing completely selfish,what does that lead too?
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« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2003, 12:23:18 pm »
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pure evil can never rule all for true evil means chaos and chaos cannot be controlled,thus it will become weak one day and be overwhelmed starting from zero.
pure good means stagnation for pure good does not tolerate chaos.
but chaos is also change and progression.
true neutral wants to keep balance at all cost and chaotic neutral is something like beeing selfish,not caring about black or white.

You have to take into account that there are more than one guild in the system, and that they\'ll have to interact.

For instance, your devoted good won\'t have the chance to stagnate if some evil is around. Evil might not be able to \"rule\" all, but their goal is to feed on good. IMHO, it\'s all about equilibrium between those trends, it would be boring if every guild had the same alignment, as it would be boring if the members of a guild were only living by themselves, without interacting with others.

Chaotic is not selfish at all, I think. It\'s more about the path you choose to accomplish what you think is right for you, isn\'t it ? It could be helping others, for instance, but the way you feel it, without following predictable rules.

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now the idea of OI,if i get it right,is to support its members no matter how they live their lifes.
and it is not their intention to balance nor to just linger through life looking for personal advantages.
it is just a home you can rely on,go back and relax.
someone helping you and helping the whole of ps as long as noone steps on their foot.(german expression i hope it makes sense:))
gosh difficult to explain in english,hope you get my point.

Yes, that\'s the idea, except it\'s not only a house to \"relax\", we expect our members to be active and to strive for the guild\'s success ! We support them whatever path they choose, but once again we have rules they have to respect. One of them which is important is that they have to support each other, like Kada said. That implies some constraints on the behaviour.

But we are not stuck to define ourselves as something as simple as \"lawful good\" or \"chaotic good\" etc... we are just ourselves, following a common goal and respecting the necessary rules accordingly.

Following a common goal, and respecting the structure we have, also implies that now and then the members may have to follow a directive given by the Council, if the need for it occurs. So to summarise it, we have a common goal but every one chooses freely the way to achieve his or her part.

PS: We have the same expression in french, I wouldn\'t know about english, though  ;)

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« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2003, 01:40:00 pm »
the relax part was probably misunderstood:)

you maybe right although i think there is a difference between chaos and beeing chaotic in allignment.
chaos cannot serve good but a chaotic good character can.
it was just bothering me that people took nonalligned for beeing chaotic neutral which is not the case.
difficult to explain,hmpf
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« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2003, 02:30:24 pm »
but you have wrong view on chaotic-neutral, here is best description i found so far :)
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pure good means stagnation for pure good does not tolerate chaos.

I\'d say pure good might be neutral-good (cleric), not lawful-good (paladin)
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