clearing something up

[Drachion]

ok because moogie told me to clear some things up i tought i\'d go with it.

i\'m not some sick freak that actually think he\'s the devil ( i wish ) i\'m just your avarage student that like\'s rp-ing.

also i\'m going back to be evil again without the hatefull flame-ing.

i bit of information on the character itself:

Weapons : Whip,claws .
Pet : Gigantic snake .
Slaves : Auran .
Alignment : True evil .
Age : 4516 .
eats : Souls .
Music type : Cradle of Filth .
Reason : Son is lead singer .

This character has been used for a D&D story so most of it is from a existing person.

ok the music reason eats and slaves has been inserted into it but it makes it possible for me to become the character.

if there are any questions i will answer them in here as a normal person as me outside this psot i will be the freak of nature that hate\'s his own mother...

[Kiern]

Well, don\'t get confused because moogie asked you...because no one really cares.

[Drachion]

i know but before some people actually start thinking i\'m a sick idiot like that.

oh well maybe i am but just a bit

[druke]

heh i figured you were rp-ing, is stopped a while back b/c not many people do in the forums.

[lynx_lupo]

ON EVILNESS

You know, you have a problem. It\'s hard to RP a OOC C.

Secondly there is the community which is generally good aligned and thirdly, you can\'t commit any crimes in PS yet without repercausions. So much for real evil.

And being evil doesn\'t mean you have to be stupid. Flaming is silly. An Evil guy would tell a child that his parents divorced, \'cause of him and not \"spam\" him to death with pointless remarks.

So here at the forum it\'s the same problem. You can\'t do anything evil/illegal without  a reprisal(or great skill ). Nobody will think of you as true evil, if you continue to *corrupt* the forum. We\'ll not even give you the \"satisfaction\" of hating you, but we\'ll feel sorry for ya.

So there\'s no really evil things/ppl yet.

oh and please respond in a constructive manner.

[Auran]

Heh! Well Drachion, not that I don\'t like what you are doing, but most of your actions don\'t hit as hard as they could have. You may have the wits but you are just not using it. You want to be evil fine, even commendable since it takes guts. But real evil is not about the cultist crap you usually dish out. Thats the problem with you kids. Most of the opinions here about evil are laughable(yes i mean you Draklar and Rhyxali) You jump to things without really doing any homework or giving it thought. Now most of you guys work under the impression that the devil epitomises evil. Hah! Thats as much nonsense as thinking God epitomises Good. Nothing of the sort. There is nothing in absolute terms. Good is good compared to the evilest person you can locate and vice-versa. God symbolises empathy while the Devil stands for apathy. I\'ll explain the devil to you but first let me clarify some thing else.

D&D RPlayers tend to think that chaotic,neutral and lawful are gradations of behaviour. That chaotic evil is the most evil, then neutral and lastly lawful. Nothing could be more wrong. These things are just what they say eg- chaotic evil is just plain chaotic, not governed by an intellect, implusive and instinctive. Essentially its the kind of senseless evil that psychotic or lunatic people are but they are definitely not the most evil nor the most dangerous, they are just out of their minds. Nothing could be more evil than a cold and calm intellect, devoid of empathy and working for its own ends.

Comind back to the devil : why on earth would you think that the devil would behave like a lunatic by being chaotic evil. He has his own agenda to push: that of exacting revenge on man and god for casting him out of heaven(i hope you know your theology well enough to know about how Satan came to be. If not I\'d be happy to tell). He knows his own powers and weaknesses and also that his final destinty is eternal damnation. In short he\'s an individual with a complete understanding of himself and others. He is also wise enough to know when he\'s beaten and is not below grovelling at someone else\'s feet to forward his own interests.  So in short he\'s clever and will not stop at anything to have his goals fulfilled. Although he wants everyone damned, he doesn\'t go about randomly killing everyone because he knows he needs followers too to spread his corruption. Also he never talks apolcalyptic occult talk to ensnare people, he\'s a very rational fellow who knows that nothing appeals more to people their own selfish ends. What does one care if you live in a fiery pity and are the ruler of hell, all they care is what you have to offer to them.  

So don\'t act a cultist imbecile and say that you have modelled yourself after the devil in front of me boy. Even though I am not a christian I have read more of their theology than you could dream of. For I also at one time was like you thinking that the devil was as you think of him and fascinated. But then I grew up.

So my advice to you would be to incorporate a little sense into the things you say. Polish your act a little bit. You have the zeal but lack the direction. Go this way and you will end up like Bin Laden instead of becoming Bill Gates. (Now Bill Gates is much more evil than Bin Laden but how many realise that?(.). I know you are better than most of this herd of Idiots we have here but you are blurring out that difference fast. Stick to your routine but tone it down a little and bring a finesse to it. Then I am sure I\'d be happy to acknowledge you as the symbol of evil in PS. Until that you are just a kid trying too hard. If you ever need help with anything dont be too proud to ask. I would gladly help.

Anyhow, Best of luck in your endeavours .

PS-
Monkey photos are not really the best way to piss me off (infact there is only one thing that really winds my clock but figure it out yourself:D). I hardly care for childish pranks:).

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Auran
Thats the problem with you kids. Most of the opinions here about evil are laughable(yes i mean you Draklar and Rhyxali) You jump to things without really doing any homework or giving it thought.

Says one that thinks spamming threads is evil
c\'mon Auran, tell us what is true evil... in what way art thou evil?

[seperot]

actually i do aggrree with ya auran most people dont have a good definition of evil

[Draklar]

i think Auran is one of those people

Originally posted by Auran
That chaotic evil is the most evil, then neutral and lastly lawful. Nothing could be more wrong. These things are just what they say eg- chaotic evil is just plain chaotic, not governed by an intellect, implusive and instinctive. Essentially its the kind of senseless evil that psychotic or lunatic people are but they are definitely not the most evil nor the most dangerous, they are just out of their minds.

here, read this definitions of:

Neutral Evil:

Neutral Evil people are most concerned with \"what\'s in it for me\". A NE person will try to always get something out of a deal even if it\'s not the best they could do. A good example would be the ranger that is willing to provide information for a price, but won\'t be the guide for the party because he \"don\'t want to get involved\" or be bothered with it. These are the \"informants\" and \"shrewd businessmen\" of society. Sandoval (FBI Agent) and Da \'Orr (Lead Taelon) from Earth Final Conflict show this alignment well.

and

Chaotic Evil:

A Chaotic Evil individual will base their decisions on what is \"best for me\". Thus, CE people will do whatever is the best choice to further their own ends. An example would be a fighter that becomes a bandit and steals from travelers then kills them to keep them quiet or to cover his crimes. He sees nothing wrong in what he is doing. The valuables he gains are his money and the silence of his dead victims allows him to continue on his way. These are the \"psychopaths\" of society. Norman Bates, Freddy Kruger and the like are good examples.

[lynx_lupo]

I think you\'re wrong Draklar. Auran is nearer to the truth.

The way alignments are divided in D&D inhibits checking for what is the most evil. Any kind of evil can be the greatest(size);  the first part of the alignment doesn\'t matter much.

So lawful evils are the most cunning as they have things planned out, but maybe they\'re just not flexible enough.
The chaotical ones are CHAOTIC, that means that they\'re half crazy.
So I guess the neutral evil would be the best, the best of both without so expressed extremities. But maybe, that\'s just what doesn\'t give them an edge.

So you can never know. Alignment in DnD isn\'t made well in that aspect.  There\'s no such thing as ultimate evil(or good).

[Davis]

D&D alignments lack two things: Graduation and the end purpose of actions.
Figure it out.

[_Rhyxali]

You \"kids\" tend to forget that the D&D alignments (and all its rules) were intended for players ages 10 and up, meaning that it had to be simple enough for a 10-yr-old to understand (I\'m assuming you\'re all at least 10 ).  Besides, true evil goes beyond simple definition of \"alignments\", since the truest form of evil encompasses all aspects, not just one stereotype.  True evil is more of a formless entity or an existence of some kind as opposed to a physical embodiment or tangible manifestation.

And Auran, don\'t preach to me about theology.  I went to church for more than 20 years, and managed to pay attention most of the time.  I also studied outside the church circle on other aspects of basic theology, trying to get the largest possible picture from various cultures across history.

Originally posted by Auran
God symbolises empathy while the Devil stands for apathy.

Apathy n.: Lack of interest or concern, especially regarding matters of general importance or appeal; indifference.
Also means the lack of emotion or expression.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.  The Devil does care very much about beating God at his own game.  God wants to save His precious creations (us), while the Devil wants to damn them as he was damned.  That implies purpose, and a purpose cannot be sustained for eons without drive/passion.  That is not apathy.  If the Devil was truly apathetic, he wouldn\'t care at all, and we\'d all be guaranteed a spot in Heaven without any catches or rules to live by.

Originally posted by Auran
chaotic evil is just plain chaotic, not governed by an intellect, implusive and instinctive.

Wrong again.  If that were the case, all animals would be classified as evil, since they act on instinct.  People who are called evil do evil because they choose to.  That implies intellect; the ability for a sentient being to make his/her own choices.

Auran, trying to say that others\' stated opinions are laughable only makes you appear like an insecure little boy who needs his mommy to nursemaid him some more.  I don\'t post without giving thought to what I say?  Rubbish.  A majority of your threads/responses are entirely forgettable.  My first post garnered three pages of good discussion.  When was the last time you had anything of real value to say?  Your post in this thread is the most intelligent thing I\'ve seen from you so far.  If you continue this trend, you just may end up a valued community member...  

[edit] Sorry to steal your thread, Drachion.  I knew you were Rp-ing.  We had another person on the boards who was abusive *cough*Link*cough* and he was banned.  He was just plain mean.  At least your type of badness was \"themed.\"  

[dorbian]

in my book is stated that lawfull evil is someone who will do anything aslong as it is evil if he has to save someone without killing anyone he won\'t accept even if he gets payd loads for it.

chaotic evil on the other hand will. they are not caring about evil aslong as they get better from it so they will do it just for the cash.

someone who is simply evil will follow the group he\'s in but by his actions you can see if he is evil or not, like if he comes across a child with a chuppa chup he will simply take it just to show everbody he is evil, more  like a pickpocket person or a rouge.

[Auran]

Imagine:rolleyes:! This kid Rhyxali is teaching me about how to become a valuable member of a community *shakes his head in dismay*. And just the fact that you went to church for 20 years regularly shows how much you understand theology(\"stupid ritualistic conformism\" thats what I term it). I dont know if you agree or not but just knowing theology makes no sense until you understand and interpret it. Any fool can pick up a book and read it. What makes the diference is how you interpret what you read. Similarly you could attend church for eons and still be no closer to grasping what this is all about. I am sure if you told us what God and Devil are about in your perception, it would come out as that ridiculous religious notion that is spoonfed to you at the church. Just to help you out I suggest you read secular literature as well besides the Testaments, Bible,The book of Exodus and the lives of saints etc. I recommend among others:

\"Demonologia\" by J.S.Forsyth ( the title of the book is longer but you\'ll have to find it out yourself. I am too lazy to type it out:D.)
\"The Autobiography of Satan\" by J.R. Beard
\"The Political history of the Devil\" by Defoe.

They\'ll enlighten you about the wider scenario not just the religious point of view. And I never talk about anything unless i am sure that I know more about it than my audience;). It is a wise practice as I have often had the chance to observe.

I said apathy because I meant just that. However I feel what you said is also valid hence I am obliged to give a clarification. I mean apathy in the sense of not caring what one does and how it affects others in the pursuit of one\'s aims. I hope now I am clear enough. I am sure you cannot fail to agree on the other things I said about the devil. If you have doubts let me know and i\'ll be happy to clarify:).

I laugh some more at you for your idea that I implied animals being evil. The word chaotic implies \"wanton\" and \"random\" behaviour. Animals kill for the purpose of self preservation. If an animal begins killing wantonly it is indeed conidered a nuisance and is shot. I stand firm in my belief that Chaotic evil is indeed the brand of evil for pathologic imbeciles.

However I do not condemn you for your ignorance. It is not your fault that humans are so chronically stupid and blissfully dogmatic about their opinions bred out of ignorance. Even I myself do such stupid things sometimes that I am apalled by them. What you can be blamed for however is if you fail to remedy your ignorance. Wanting to remain ignorant is the greatest sin a person can commit.

So I hope I will have the chance to debate this topic with you once again when you are more conversant upon it:). However if you are like most of the human race then you will probably voice your foolish opinions again without amending your lack of knowledge. In that case I admit apriori that I am indeed wrong about everything I said and you should be happy about your wisdom. It is no use trying to change idiots hence I will save the myself effort.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by lynx_lupo
I think you\'re wrong Draklar. Auran is nearer to the truth.

The way alignments are divided in D&D inhibits checking for what is the most evil. Any kind of evil can be the greatest(size);  the first part of the alignment doesn\'t matter much.

So lawful evils are the most cunning as they have things planned out, but maybe they\'re just not flexible enough.
The chaotical ones are CHAOTIC, that means that they\'re half crazy.
So I guess the neutral evil would be the best, the best of both without so expressed extremities. But maybe, that\'s just what doesn\'t give them an edge.

So you can never know. Alignment in DnD isn\'t made well in that aspect.  There\'s no such thing as ultimate evil(or good).

Nah, you\'re wrong on that one
chaotic isn\'t about being crazy...
i mean robin hood was chaotic-good and i don\'t think he was much of a crazy guy
chaotic is about freedom, flexibility and so on...
I see greatest evil in one that sees nothing wrong in murdering, slaughtering innocent or killing random guy to get his money. Someone like that is chaotic-evil...