clearing something up

[Auran]

No I was talking about a unary zealot not an organisation but I agree with what you say . That still wouldn\'t capture the true meaning of chaos.  If you stick to the essence of the word chaos the I\'d have to give the example of a \"pathological lunatic\".

[Draklar]

Chaotic is opposite to lawful so i think chaos goes under anarchy here, not \"pathological lunatic\".

[derwoodly]

The nine pole alignment idea is not the only way to define roleplay.  Gary Gygax (sp?) is not God.  most of the world use a much simpler form of classification.

Forsyth does not try and fit the world into a Gary Gygax alignment tree and no one else should either.

And people! include some Kant with all that reading your doing!

[Kiern]

Yes derwoodly, thank you!

I don\'t see why everyone is so obsessed with this alignment thing, it\'s rather odd and not important.

[Auran]

*looks around* Where\'s Drachion?(.

[Vengeance]

To me, Good, Evil and Neutral are three mutually exclusive alternatives.  A person who is neutral is self-serving or helps/hurts others on a case-by-case basis.

A person who is evil is doing bad things and things like hurting others, messing up forum threads, making people mad are an end unto themselves.

A person who is good is doing things like being helpful, trying to explain things and add value on forums, and working to reduce/eliminate evil.

This means terms like \"neutral evil\" are oxymorons.

Chaotic and Lawful are the other axis of measurement, and don\'t apply to being neutral.  The Inquisition was definitely lawful (good or evil depends on your perspective).  It was done under the auspices of the national and supranational authority at the time and the people who executed it were following orders, not breaking them.

Robin Hood was definitely chaotic.  He acted in unlawful ways to do good, as interpreted by him.  The ends justified the means, and his ends were as he saw them.

I would call the Mafia lawful evil.  They have a strict hierarchy, a strict code of honor and extensive rules about how/when certain things happen.  Groups like gangs in LA or the Medellin Cartel also fall into this category.

Chaotic evil tends to be individualistic, imo.  Jeffrey Dahmer, Hannibal Lecter, and drug addicts robbing people in the park are all doing what they feel they have to do or want to do with no regard to any kind of code or honor among thieves.

Auran talks like he is chaotic evil, but by forming the Cabal organization he is stating his wish to be lawful evil (and to make those laws himself).  Personally, I just think he is hilarious and is neither good nor evil, neither chaotic nor lawful.

There.  I can\'t believe I responded to this thread.

- Venge

[Auran]

I cant believe vengie boy responded either. I\'ll check if its him or just one of his automated response programs a.k.a. \"Bot\"?(.

*Pokes Venge in the eye*

Venge: OW! X(. You friggin @##%&*#.

*surprised*..*to himself*

whaddaya know it was him .

*kidnaps him and hauls him off to the secret Cabal HQ for brainwashing with Cabalist Propaganda*

The rest of this story follows

Vengeance suddenly came to. He looked around in the gloom. Trying to move he realised that he was held fast to a horizontal platform by straps around his neck,waist, ankles and wrists. The straps felt metallic by their cold touch. He struggled for a while but realising it was futile, gave up. His eyes getting accustomed to the semi-darkness, he began to make out more and more details of his surroundings. He could dimly make out the rafters of the roof above.\"I must be in some kind of a large hall\", he muttered to himself. From what could see he realised he was in some kind of a very large room dilapidated through disuse. There were holes amid the roofing through which he could see peices of the sky. He judged it to be dusk from the scattered shreds of melacholy red clouds.
 A dank, musty smell arose from within, as is usual with ill kept rooms. He could hear noises of rats scurying about. Another thing which strongly impressed his senses was the smell of sulphur as in alchemical laboratory or a foundry.

Minutes ticked by but they seemed hours to Vengeance. The thought that was eating him right from the start was why and how he came to be in this situation. He could remember dimly his being in some crowded place. A blow to his head. It still throbbed. He attempted to touch the spot but was again reminded of his forced inertia.

Suddenly there were footfalls. They sounded like shod feet walking briskly through a long, bare gallery. There were mutliple persons surely and the sound of a long rapier striking against chainmail and the rustling of robes were also discernable. The feet drew near until they were right within the room, sharply ringing on the stone floor. The sounds ceased a few feet from him. He could hear whispers near his head but was unable to see anything being restrained. They seemed to be conferring in hushed tones. He waited. Soon, he thought,  he\'d know his fate.

Dusk had crept into night and the darkness in the room seemed to coalesce into twisted abominations. The minions of darkness. The voices near his head had ceased. Suddenly a dim light filled the room. A torch had been lit. Someone addressed him. \"Vengeance\", the voice said,\"your life as you know it ends today. From this day on you will become be a servant of the darkness. You will help us spread our corruption. You will be one with the Cabal\". \"B*stards\",cried Vengeance,\"I\'d sooner die\". \"Ah! But you will\" said the voice. Then began the incantations. Strange words of some long forgotten tongue now ressurected by some mage\'s voice. The torch went out and vengeance felt the darkness close in again. There was a something unnatural about it. It seemed to dance and swirl  around him. The incantations grew louder and louder, faster and faster, forever changing their rythm and tone. Now they seemed pleading, now argumentative and then commanding. Suddenly there was silence. Everything seemed to stand still. And then with a rush the darkness seemed to enter him with the force of a raging river. Through his ears, him mouth, his nose until it choked him. Pulsing through his veins with a life of its own. His senses were flooded with an intense pain.He tried to cry out but was stifled.

Vengeance woke up with a start. He was in his bed, in his home. He would have dismissed his experience as a dream if not for one detail: He was one with the Corruption now. The taint pulsed in his veins.

END


the next day at the breakfast table:

Vengeance: Robin Hood was definitely not Chaotic and The Cabal is god.

*:P:P:P:P:P:P:P
If that seems like a lot of trouble to prove Robin hood not Chaotic then I have to agree with you:D.

BTW- I also noticed a funny thing. Look what happens when I type \"B_astards\".(I inserted the underscore to avoid the censor scanner .)

\"Bastards\"

Notice anything:P:D. How someone thought that a \"peanut\" made a suitable replacement for this word is beyond me?( Atleast they could have made it \"illegitimate progeny\" . (I have to guess maybe PAXX  had something to do with this )

[Vengeance]

If I were a member of the Cabal reading Auran\'s homoerotic fantasies about the devs right now, I\'d be running the other direction...

Makes one wonder what Auran is doing to the real members... ;-)

[Auran]

Read it again venge. Its got edits now:P:D

Homoerotic ?( What made you feel that way. But I am happy as such. I always wanted to write erotica.

[Drachion]

[ shoots auran ]

idiot

and i never expected this to go about good or evil how things can turn around.

oh well back to evil me again.

OOC : i\'m a schyzo, no really

Drachion drags Auran\'s body back into the pit of evil throwing him back to the mines he escaped from.

SIT.

Auran sit\'s down in a instant, trembling with fear.

Drachion opens his eyes and says: You pathetic little .... ( reminds himself he would stop flamming ) Bunny rabbit You really don\'t know your own strenght now do you.

You shouldn\'t kidnap administrator\'s, you are to weak and foolish to do so...

You should leave that to the pro\'s

Show\'s security tape to vengeance and waits for vengeance to emerge into pissed off ness or something like that....

See cabal you cannot out run a demon ( or his spies ) so sit tight and wait for hell to break loose on you guys  :]

[Auran]

Friendly advice:

Smilies don\'t really go with your persona Drach. But what the hell, do as you wish.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Auran
If that seems like a lot of trouble to prove Robin hood not Chaotic then I have to agree with you:D.

Yes Auran, it is hard to prove something that ain\'t true

Tho it\'s easy to prove Robin was chaotic...
Robin Hood was outlaw, a rebel, therefore he was opposite to lawful. Alignment opposite to lawful is chaotic.
Chaotic is about freedom and flexibility, about doing what you want.

[Auran]

Dont make me kindnap you DraklarX(............:D

[Xalthar]

Originally posted by Auran
Dont make me kindnap you DraklarX(............:D

he is right, though

[Draklar]

oh shhh Xalthar, you\'ll get us both kidnapped

Besides... Auran knows i\'m right, that\'s just his plan. He kidnaps and then \"corrupts\" you. Then when you\'ll lose your mind... err get \"corrupted\" he\'ll have a chance of you joining his guild