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[Auran]

Hello All
You may know that I RP evil but I am not like that in real life. And because of that I make a plea to you on Evan\'s behalf today:

To Everyone:
Plz ppl. Lay off this kid. Can\'t you see that his confidence is suffering as well as his nerves! I mean it seriously. Dont pester him anymore or he will end up with somekind of a nervous breakdown. Not everyone bears pressure well enough and Evanchild is just 14 years old. I beg to you on his behalf to stop before this causes him harm. You might not realise it but I have seen things like this happen. I often did them.Later I realised what a wrong thing I was doing and gave up and tried to make amends later on but I still feel guilty for it. Even now when I am RPing evil I dont let myself go one bit more than is needed. So please for god\'s sake stop it. Its a game. Realise that and play within the limits of decency.  Please show that you  are mature enough.

Thank you



To Evanchild:
Now I know not everyone can keep a cool mind under constant fire(understand the difficulty of my Roleplaying Charachter). But the more you protest Eva the more you are made to look silly. Don\'t let all this get to your nerves. Its just a game and so maybe you cheated and got caught. Maybe you are being falsely accused. But still it is just a game. Regardless of what these ppl here say you are not a bad person and I want you to please make an effort to forget this and try to play on. A better way than clarifying yourselves to a prejudiced audience is to go ahead and prove what you are through your actions. So choose whether you want to win by killing their charachters or helping them out. Ignore everything else. And always remember that this is just a game. Even I realise that you are a good and interesting fellow in real life whatever you may be ingame.

[elscouta]

I forgive Evanchild in real life but as you said, the game is not real life so i will not forgive him in game.

So Evanchild, if i become your ennemy in-game, don\'t think that i hate you in real life

Same applies to Auran (i think even that I\'d like him in real life)

[Keldorn]

Aye, a wise man this Auran turns out to be afterall.
I suggest you all listen to him and stop this hate-trip against Evanchild.

/me likes auran a bit more now.

[Yann]

Indeed, there should be more threads like this one...

[Draklar]

ok, this is same thing you said earlier, only nice and long. Still my answer is same...
Mostly it is roleplaying. How do you think people should react to someone making evil deed? If someone does something evil i expect him to take the possible damage, or in worse case leave the community. Being evil brings consequences, if you get caught, you must pay. If you can\'t take it, live in peace with community.
Thing that was started in-game is kept in-game, i\'m pretty sure Evan understands that, and he doesn\'t seem like a person that could breakdown that easily. It isn\'t like he\'s standing in passive stance, and getting hits from everyone around. Learn to look at how person behaves and not how old is he/she.
Furthermore, if you don\'t like stuff like that happening - shutdown Cabal! If not for Cabal all of this wouldn\'t happen! I don\'t see any point in keeping this guild alive: it doesn\'t bring anything good for community, it isn\'t well  organised, it isn\'t evil, it won\'t be able to do anything in later releases. If you want to make others laugh then stay like that, just don\'t do any spying stuff, it is kept out of game (spying is being done by using false accounts, and it has nothing to do with in-game skills, only skills you have in rl). Next time you\'ll make post like that, think what are you doing yourself, again, nothing of this would happen, if not for you...

[Keldorn]

I don\'t think it\'s really fair to blame all of this on Cabal, but hey.

Even if it was, shouldn\'t auran be able to ask people politely to stop this if he thinks it is going to far.

He has a right to do that even if he started it in some way.

[Natrina]

Well, did someone prove that he really spyed or something? I\'m with you Drak, I hate spys but I don\'t think Evan is one.. And this is an MMORPG we should RP, and RP has not anything to do with RL skills.

[elscouta]

That\'s not because it is not inside the planeshift window that it isn\'t in-game. Guilds are only in-game organizations. As far as i know, Evanchild nor any Cabal members have used false account or hacking skills (hmm... i remember someone ...). Changing side is for me an in-game action, absolutely allowed. Guild charts that prevent you from such actions are also in-games things. For me, everything that happens in the PS guild Forums or Guild website are in-game. Other forums (Wish List, Off-Topic, General...) are out-game.

So i fully agree with Auran: Evanchild may be a traitor in-game (IMHO, yes) but he stays a normal planeshift player that should not EVEN IN WORSE CASE, quit the community.

if you get caught, you must pay

Surely, but in the same scope. If someone betray your guild, i hope you will not try to find him in real life to puny him

[Draklar]

I\'m not blaming everything on Cabal, just saying that if not for Cabal, this wouldn\'t start. Isn\'t that right?

Yes, this is good that he asks for that, it\'s very nice thing to do, but if he don\'t want stuff like that to happen, he should shut down Cabal. In all, Cabal is supposed to be hated by everyone, right? So if you have anything to do with Cabal, this is how you might and up. For me his post looks kinda like post that is supposed to make others feel sorry, even tho Cabal caused everything. (i know it wasn\'t supposed to)

Elscouta: i think you didn\'t get my post right

[elscouta]

ok maybe i misunderstood you in the in-game/out-game stuff.

But still, you can\'t say that someone can leave the community just because he was caught rp evil.

[Keldorn]

Originally posted by Draklar
I\'m not blaming everything on Cabal, just saying that if not for Cabal, this wouldn\'t start. Isn\'t that right?

hmm, that\'s like telling someone that he shouldn\'t have bought these potatoes cause they don\'t taste good where in fact it was you who didn\'t prepare them right.

Originally posted by Draklar
For me his post looks kinda like post that is supposed to make others feel sorry, even tho Cabal caused everything. (i know it wasn\'t supposed to)

Cabal can have rules for how far these things can go, if things get out of hand he can ask people to stop. Eventhough he maybe started it he should be able to say when things get out of hand shouldn\'t he?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Keldorn

Originally posted by Draklar
I\'m not blaming everything on Cabal, just saying that if not for Cabal, this wouldn\'t start. Isn\'t that right?

hmm, that\'s like telling someone that he shouldn\'t have bought these potatoes cause they don\'t taste good where in fact it was you who didn\'t prepare them right.

...
uhm... no it\'s like saying
sure Evan shouldn\'t be treated like he was, but it was all started thanks to Cabal. Really, read the very first post about Evan being a traitor.

No Keldorn, Cabal has no rules like that, it\'s just Auran, who is nice in rl, that decided to do that.
But in all it looks like that:

Cabals want someone to spy on other guild.
He shows some interest in it.
Gets caught.
Gets the consequences.
Auran asks everyone to stop.

Now i ask Auran to stop the Cabal so it won\'t happen again.

[elscouta]

hey Draklar, it\'s game!

you want a game without evil? A game with nobody to fight, where butteflies are the only animation? You think that Star Wars would have been better without the Empire? No, evil guilds have the right to stay in game. We can fight them as long as we want but we can\'t hate their member nor their spy (at least out-game).

[Auran]

Hello everybody:

Plz understand that my plea has nothing to do with the Cabal. However I cannot help but feel guilty. If one reads Evan\'s posts carefully it will be noticed that he\'s suffering quite a bit from this and not only in his ingame image. I couldn\'t be concerned less if the damage had only been in Game terms but I feel it is going beyond that. Ofcourse Eva will never agree since Little Boys have this sense of pride which overcomes their judgement. But being much older than Eva and most of you guys and having a good understanding of people its not hard for me to tell that he is suffering. I wish for this to cease. Blame me if you like, I can tolerate all you can throw and more but spare my little brother. It might be my fault that I misjudged the maturity of the player community and started a concept that was much more than you guys could handle. Maybe I should have stuck to the regular notions of evil and been like the DE or the SH since they are ones you can deal with easily. I never thought ppl could get as disturbed as some of the players did by my version of evil and I was wrong. So tell me if my RPing is disturbing you really, because if it is I will quit and resign from the Cabal.My entertainment isn\'t worth any one\'s slightest discomfort. I am not that immature. I can find more harmless sources of enjoyment in other ways.

Thank you

Edit: I am sorry for my previous comments refering to Draklar. They have been duly removed and I extend my apology.

[Draklar]

argh! \"you didn\'t get my post right\"
my post was about thing that it all is roleplaying!!!
*sighs*
why all those people think i don\'t want evil
read my posts about Dark Empire, and on Defenders thread... I really want evil guilds in here
but those serious ones, like DE.