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SkwirlDude

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I am sad to say this
« on: November 09, 2003, 03:21:34 am »
I am leaving PlaneShift. It is nothing against the game, or the community. It is for real religious purposes. It had been heavily weighing on my mind since i joined The Folowers of Laanx. It is not only PlaneShift i am forsaking, i am forsaking every game that includes Magic, False Gods, or glorifies any sin. Just because i am leaving for these reasons, doesn\'t mean i\'m pressuring other Christian Gamers to do the same. There is a convincing debate on the subject here
http://eden.org/g2gforums/index.php?showtopic=1579

I Wish all of you good luck, and i am sorry for any incoveniences this may cause. I will not post here for any reason, so you Cabali don\'t try and anger me into coming back.
Farewell, Jeremy

Edit: :( i am already braking my promise to fix the url.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2003, 03:23:24 am by SkwirlDude »
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2003, 03:27:09 am »
Alright... really sudden? See ya man,

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2003, 03:28:05 am »
Sad to see you go, but I support whatever you want to do.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2003, 03:37:22 am »
hehe for religious purposes??
hahahahhaahah well ok bye

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2003, 03:43:31 am »
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Originally posted by SkwirlDude

Farewell, Jeremy



jeremy? thats my real life name but I don\'t think I know you hehe anyway sorry to see you go. as a christian myself I wrestled with and resolved this issue myself a long time ago.
*Zaphar grins roguishly as he exits the post


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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2003, 03:54:48 am »
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hehe for religious purposes??
hahahahhaahah well ok bye

Shut up Altharion.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2003, 05:31:40 am »
There are a couple other articles I have read relating to religion in games.  I found them both interesting (I am a Christian as well), simply because it makes you rethink a few things.  Anyway, if you\'re interested in reading them, here they are:

http://diabloii.net/columnists/fortuitous16.shtml
http://diabloii.net/columnists/fortuitous17.shtml

Yes, it\'s a DiabloII site, but don\'t let you stop you; both articles cover a lot of ground.

Note: I\'m not trying to change anyone\'s opinion here, I\'m just offering some material for those interested in the subject.

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A quick quote from the article

In closing I\'d just like to call everyone back to the idea of perspective. We are, after all, just talking about a game. It isn\'t reality and therefore should only be a small aspect of our lives that we turn to for entertainment. Whether you let it be more than that is up to you and the choices that you make. Henry Ford once said, \"Whether you believe that you can, or you can\'t, you are right\". I\'d like to take that concept a step further and say \"whether you believe that fantasy RPGs are evil or good, you are right\".

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2003, 05:51:27 am »
I haven\'t read the articles but this is my own opinion on what would drive someone like Skwirl to leave:
Glorification of sin: Not that there is any in this game, but this creates a perception of something bad being good, and though this may never lead to action, it may lead to turning away from the correct choices (more of a form of inaction)
Magic: Have any of you ever had the slightest little feeling of wanting to use magic yourself? However, in most religions, magic is a sin, but how can you say that you wouldn\'t want magic in real life after seeing it in so many games?
Those are the reasons I thought of just now.

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2003, 05:58:03 am »
Actually I\'m kinda afraid it has more to do with this...

He got quite offended in one of the subsequent post and I\'m afraid Josanator wasn\'t very respectful of his opinion. It wasn\'t long after that this thread arose.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2003, 06:05:15 am »
O_o coz\' of some half-wit making up a retarded story that has nothing to do with this game???
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2003, 06:23:35 am »
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O_o coz\' of some half-wit making up a retarded story that has nothing to do with this game???


Some people take certain stresses differently. Lets respect Skwirl\'s choice. I\'m sure it had more to do than that.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2003, 07:21:34 am »
My favorite subject.  A chance to lash out against Christianity.  Ok let me start off by saying that I was born Catholic, I attended church as a child.  I have been going to Catholic schools since third grade.

My point here is not to offend anyone, but express my beliefs.  So I will go out and say it.  Christianity is a crock.  Study history, I mean real history, not just what teachers teach you.  If you do you will realize how much Christianity borrowed from other religions (Well in truth Judaism borrowed these beliefs from it\'s roots in Mesopotamia, but Christianity is an extension on Judaism)  You will even find out the source of many of the Old Testament stories such as Moses.  There was an Egyptian Pharoah by the name of Moses who started the belief in one God, granted it was Ra, but out of that springs the story of Moses.  Anyway I\'m getting off topic.  A lot of the Old Testament is borrowed from religions that existed around the roots of Judaism.  Noah, Genesis, all borrowed.  The New Testament however is harder to clarify.  The only proof of Jesus and such is based on faith.  Faith is a hard thing to base on arguement on, from both sides.  My belief is that a man, maybe a teacher existed.  I do not however believe he was divine.  I believe that the Church has glorified his status.  One of the biggest debates is if he even died a virgin (Mary Magdeline sp?).  Anyway I better end this as I could go on all day.  Again I didn\'t mean to offend anyone, we all have our own beliefs.

  Christianity is and always has tried to stick it\'s neck into issues it shouldn\'t have anything to do with.  I\'m not singling it out, nearly every religion does this.

  Skwirl, sorry to see you go, especially over such a pointless debate.

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2003, 07:21:50 am »
The story was really dumb...

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2003, 07:23:54 am »
He has a right to post whatever story he wants, and if you look at every other story none of them follow the Planeshift world to the letter.  And he never says that the jesus in his story is the same from Christianity.

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2003, 08:47:08 am »
Well i have many things i doubt about most religons but since this is Christianity i make 2 small points.

1) if Mary was a virgin and got pregnat with jesus dont you think marys husband whould accuse her of cheating?

2) jesus drank from loads of cups mugs ect so how do you work that the last one is somehow holy compared to the rest of them?