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Kramy

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« on: November 25, 2003, 01:57:54 am »
Ok, I\'ve decided to get Linux, but I think I\'m missing something.

a) Instructions
b) A file that will run in windows or dos, to install Linux

Can anyone help? Thanks if you can.

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2003, 03:28:32 am »
Selling instructions is how the Linux companies make money. I think.

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2003, 03:46:09 am »
I have to agree with you.

I\'m not even sure I\'m downloading the right files. It doesn\'t say anywhere what I have to install to actually get the Linux OS......blah, windows may crash a ton, but atleast they have  readme\'s.

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2003, 09:24:46 am »
All is there. You\'re dling an iso? Open it with winrar(...) and check the readmes or wait and burn it first. AFAIK every distro can be setup-ed from dos(but why would you want to do that?!).
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2003, 11:43:10 am »
A) everything you need is on the ISO\'s and it says how to use them on the website

B) just download the ISO\'s and use a program that can read those(Daemon Tools  is very useful for this) this will start the linux installer.

if you\'re sure about installing linux, drop by at the planeshift irc channel(#planeshift @ irc.quakenet.org) people will help you there.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 03:26:29 pm »
How hard is it to setup a LAN with computers that use windows XP and Linux? Im thinking about switching to Linux, but Im not quite sure, since I\'m at LANs pretty often..
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 06:54:40 pm »
probably not so hard. Networks are the strong point of Linux/Unixs. Never tried though...
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 07:07:55 pm »
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How hard is it to setup a LAN with computers that use windows XP and Linux? Im thinking about switching to Linux, but Im not quite sure, since I\'m at LANs pretty often..


depends on what kind of network you want to set up

samba allows windows clients to access Linux servers and vice versa. also linux is made for networking so it has excellent support for a number of protocols.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2003, 07:32:17 pm »
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How hard is it to setup a LAN with computers that use windows XP and Linux? Im thinking about switching to Linux, but Im not quite sure, since I\'m at LANs pretty often..


depends on what kind of network you want to set up

samba allows windows clients to access Linux servers and vice versa. also linux is made for networking so it has excellent support for a number of protocols.

I\'m by no means a computer-wiz, I just want to know if it\'s easy to set up an ordinary LAN.
You know: computer >> switch <I take it that its RATHER easy?
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2003, 07:56:16 pm »
I think It\'s probably easier than windows.

I\'m fed up with windows. My version is really slow for FTP, and can\'t upload via FTP. It can\'t network due to some bug in it, and it crashes when I try to save .avi files, making 3D rendering of combat in 2D games impossible.

I wonder if there are any free 3D rendering Linux tools...

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2003, 07:59:10 pm »
If you want a super-duper easy install of Linux, I would definitely recommend Suse Linux.  It was the first distribution of Linux I was ever exposed to, and I assure you that I had very minimal knowledge of Linux when I installed it.  Once you have the installation CD\'s (downloadable free via FTP and burned onto CD-R) it\'s just a matter of booting from the first CD to run the install wizard.

And seriously, the installation wizard is just as easy as installing any version of Windows.  It recognizes pretty much any device (even my USB mouse) and configures it automatically.  All you need to do is provide some basic information and the setp will take care of the rest.

When it comes to installing to your hard drive, the setup (I\'m 90% sure that it\'s this distro that has it) has a feature that will resize your Windows partition (I can\'t remember if it\'s only FAT/FAT32 or if NTFS will work as well) and create another partition on your hard drive to install Linux on.

NOTE: ONLY use this option if you do not have any other hard drive you could use to install Linux on, and if you have at least 3 gigabytes of space free on your drive.  If you do choose this option, MAKE SURE you do the following:

1) Assume that the worst may happen, and your partition becomes corrupted (it\'s not likely to happen, but it\'s always possible, so you must prepare for the worst)
2) Backup all critical data to a place other than your hard drive (trust me, I\'ve heard of people backing up data to the same hard drive; this doesn\'t help any :( ).  Use CD/DVD-R/RW, another computer on the network, external storage (USB drive, zip drive), or anything else that stores data off your hard drive
3) Run the defragmentation utility that comes with Windows.  The easiest way to do this is to open \"My Computer,\" right-click the drive you want to defrag, select \"Properties,\" go to the \"Tools\" tab, and click \"Defragment Now...\" (I\'m running WinXP, so the exact location may be slightly different; if all fails run Windows Help and search for \"defragment\")
4) Make sure you have an appropriate Restore CD (these usually come with pre-made computers) or a set of Windows CD\'s and all the install CD\'s that you would need to do a complete reinstall of your system.

Simply put: Do not proceed with this option unless you are 100% sure you could restore your previous setup in case.  Even if you know what you\'re doing and already have a separate partition on your hard drive set aside for Linux, follow these steps anyway.

Again, if you choose this option, everything should work fine.  However, I cannot stress enough how something could go wrong, and cause you to loose all of your data.

Now that I\'ve said all this, don\'t come crying to me if you didn\'t pay attention and erased everything on your computer.  I feel no symapthy for you.

Finally, you can feel safer knowing that the install will not do ANYTHING to modify your system until all settings have been specified, and a summary screen comes up.  In essence, the message is \"The following changes will be made you computer.  Please review each step carefully to ensure that it is correct, and press the \'Next\' button to continue.\"  Until this point, any changes, including re-partitioning and formatting will not be applied.  So feel free to tinker around and try different settings, because it won\'t take effect until this screen.

If you have any more questions, feel free to chat in the dev IRC channel (where usually I or some other knowledgable person will be present to help you) or send me a PM.

Have fun, and happy Linuxing!!  :D

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the complete Suse installation includes 7 or more CD\'s.  The first CD is the base system, and I think it also has GNOME and KDE (the graphical environments, be sure to install one or you\'ll be stuck with a command prompt) on it.  The rest of the CD\'s contain a lot of applications, and I think the 6th or 7th CD contains the kernel source code (useful if you want to compile your own kernel, but that\'s an advanced topic for another day ;) ).  So you should be able to get by with only the first CD, but I would recommend probably the second and third as well, as they probably contain some of the more useful apps.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and make sure you get the i386 version, unless you\'re using a Mac or an Amiga or something...
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2003, 09:31:16 pm »
I use a wireless Netgear home network (mostly to route our internet connection). If I switched to Linux, would it be compatible with the rest of my network?

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2003, 09:45:52 pm »
Nowadays, you can find Linux drives for just about anything.  Most of they time, they can be found in the Linux distribution itself, though sometimes you have to try searching for them on the web.  So figure out the exact model of network card you use (using \"Device Manager\") and just do a web search for \"xxxx Linux Drivers\" where \'xxxx\' is the model or your network card.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2003, 03:30:22 pm »
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I think It\'s probably easier than windows.

Seriously? Because windows is just plug the cable and then play.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2003, 05:07:00 pm »
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I think It\'s probably easier than windows.

Seriously? Because windows is just plug the cable and then play.


Are you sure? Did you never setup your local ip? Rebooted because you just changed something like the mask or the gateway? I won\'t even talk about the mess when it\'s about sharing files between different working groups on different versions of windows. Unless you have a dhcp server on your network, you\'ll always need to setup at least once your network card.

Back to the main topic, I agree with Xandria: get a Suse (or a Mandrake or a Red Hat). Every distro is available on bootable CDs, you won\'t have to launch anything from windows (unless your bios is too old to boot on CD).

About documentation, Mandrake (don\'t know for the others) provides one on the CD itself, you can read it from windows. And there are tons of websites out there explaining how to install linux, you probably didn\'t search well in google.