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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2003, 03:35:25 am »
I have a TV nearby. I only watch FLCL, .hack, Cowboy Bebop, and Blue Gender. Besides that I\'m glued to my art book. (And my computer.)

FLCL has about 27 sexually enhanced scenes. Yoshiyuki Sadamoto is the animator and has the habit of having some kind of sextual content in his anim?.

I watch Futurama only sometimes.
If one battle goes, another comes,
For hence that woe tide us in
in blood shed we receive
the one that killed our kin.
The burning flames, the dark shadow,
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Join we will, to defeat,
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2003, 06:34:09 am »
Just for the record, I agree with you 90% Fantasyfiend (change \"I hate television.\" to \"I hate television commericals and the idea they try to force on people.\" and it\'s 97%).

It\'s just downright upsetting the kind of things that are allowed on TV today.  I mean, some people will argue that \"it\'s just the advancement of human culture.\"  That\'s a lot of -> ^#$%@#$* <- no matter how you try to justify it.

I also love when people say that the media and advertising \"don\'t affect you.\" It\'s so naive to think that you can watch television completely objectively and sweat that it doesn\'t change the way you think.  Because it does; you simply don\'t notice it.  That\'s why it is so dangerous.

Just think about what television was like 20 or 40 years ago: what would the overall reaction be if they played the stuff back then like what\'s on now?  How have things changed between now and then?  It\'s a slow, gradual process of introducing new ideas into society, and trying to get them accepted.

And it works.

The first show of it\'s type is always controversial (first it was divorced families, then teen parents, then gay couples, etc.) and the majority of the population is quite upset about it, and many will file complaints to the station.  The second show will be accepted by more people as \"normal\" (even though their only exposure to it was the first show), though still angering quite a few.  By the time a third show comes around, no one has anything to say about it.

And sure, I\'d love to see America survive without TV for a week.  I could go for a week without my computer for all I care (I\'m not talking about leaving for vacation for a week, that\'s easy :P).  These things don\'t control my life; they\'re simply things I enjoy doing.  Sure life would be different (personally, I feel for the better of mankind as a whole) but it would definitely be livable.


If anyone wants to refute any of the points I made (real refutes, no flames of bursts of rage please), I welcome the discussion.  I\'m not going to attack any shows in particular because I feel the best way for discussion is to keep it theory only (and I watch hardly any TV except for a few sci-fi shows that I like).

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2003, 08:27:02 am »
I hardly ever watch TV anymore, even to watch a few sci-fi programmes that i like, not just because my TV is stuck on Chnl4 an i lost the remote but bcoz TV has the tendancy to make you sit mindlessly staring at endless crap.
I dont know about american TV but most things on english tv rot your brain(much like mmmorpg\'s)and is a complete waste of time, i used to watch alot of TV before i had the net out of boredom, but it was just pointless and i was just watching other people lead their lives instead of doing somthing with my own.

Everyone has their own opinions tho and if they enjoy watching TV then its up to them. There are alot worse things they could be doing instead.
If you have a problem with tv them think yourself lucky that you realised and they didnt.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2003, 12:19:33 pm »
ive got no plorblem with my tele and i dont see what the big deal is

so what if you hate reality tv, wrestling,other shows and bull only idoits recreate the damm dangerous stunts and they then land themselves in hopsital, (well .... ive landed my self in the hospitals for a certain number of reasons like STReet SOccer luckly dads surgon but he cant stich very well, to date ive got over 25 stiches in all sorts of places but umm... not there luckly  )
but none of them are infulenced by the tv.

and whats wrong if the kids hobby is watching tv weren\'t you hooked on to your (fill in blank here) and common if you play online games which dont have a anti sware system you get more trash talk and swearing from older but less mature gamers who take pride in flaming the newbies and you see that the younger bunch of gamers use considerable less
 
also where did you learn what F*** means didnt you learn it when you were little to but then there was no tele to begain with
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2003, 12:41:59 pm »
Briefly: TV is poisonous, but it shouldn\'t be the only guilt-bearer for social problems.
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2003, 01:11:10 pm »
I think perhaps you\'re letting you ego take over you.

There are people who live up to a certain standard... morally, money-wise, intellectually.... doesn\'t matter.

The problem is that they scorn other people because of this standard. I attribute this as a negative side of egoism.

My advice is just live with it and continue doing what you think is appropriate, but don\'t criticize if you can help it.... Besides, do you really reserve the right to decide what kind of things you want to censor from television?


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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2003, 01:12:45 pm »
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If seeing two people kissing on TV makes you sick then I feel very sorry for you.  You obviously have lived in a sheltered world.


this depends on who those 2 people are, i turned the TV on the other day and the first thing i saw was the part of the clip \"beautiful\" of christina aguilera where you see 2 guys making out... yes that makes me sick.

and it\'s not that i have something against gays, but it seems like ? of what they broadcast nowadays has to have gays in it, wich kinda annoys me..

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2003, 05:04:04 pm »
Samurai Jack is the best piece of American animation on television in years.  That aside Adult Swim is the only justification for TV\'s existence.  Well, the Daily Show is funny too, but that\'s not enough on it\'s own.

Any discussion about ummm, stuff, on TV is a moot point though.  It is  a country under the illusion of fre... I mean yeah it\'s a free country...

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>_>...

Good I don\'t think they saw that :D .
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2003, 06:05:26 pm »
This is funny for several reasons. The people who replied negatively, I mean. So easily drawn into a bought. I warned you at the top that it was the bantering of an angered mind. By no means am I prude. I view porn, like anyone else (I hope). But their is a resounding differance.

I do it in private. I don\'t go blaring my sex life out on television for a cheap screw and a pocket full of Benjamins. I have no problem with sex. Without it the human race is doomed...and probably boring. The problem is how television tries to get you to watch by shoving it under your nose.

Don\'t bother lecturing me about Ozzy. I am well read on Rock history. I know about bat head biting, and ant-line sniffing. I know. And I admire Ozzy for how well he\'s overcome all this, and become a reasonable father. I never said kids were angels. Most of them are little screwheads anymore. But I\'ve seen Jack and Kelly do some stuff that I would not tolerate. And they just bend over and take it.

I think my problem is how degraded society has become. I think television helped, but I wouldn\'t blame it entirely. Bad parenting was the axe that brought the tree down. That Doctor Spock moron.

Turning off television is pointless when radio is getting just as bad. What\'s the ratio of music to commercials? Companies filtering trash and mind melting advertisements down your grey matter.

People kiss in public. I don\'t roll my nose up at them kissing. I roll my nose up at the popularity and media coverage of how perverted they are. Jesus, It\'s about to catch up with the 9-11 coverage. (BTW, I felt like it should have been covered, but it\'s time to let the dead rest. We should remeber the dead, but not keep picking healing scabs.)

Hypocrite for what I do watch? I honestly haven\'t considered that. But the sexual overtures in FLCL don\'t bug me, because (1) FLCL usually portrays it as humour, and (2) sex is simply a part of life. Granted. As for Futurama, perhaps you have a point. But again, it was directed as humour. It\'s not saying, \"Drink this, get laid.\"

Like television, if you don\'t like my opinions. Your more than free to press the back button. (Thank God for sarcasm.) I mean, you can always turn your head, riiiight?

But, please, by all means, if you need to call me a hypocrite and prude. Be my guest. I warned you clear at the top of my post, and you came looking for a fight. Besides, I could use a good laugh.

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2003, 06:16:14 pm »
Fantasyfiend,

So...you\'re saying that the biggest problem with television is \"how degraded society has become [because of it]\" ??

NOTE: I just want to be clear before I make my next comment.

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2003, 06:25:44 pm »
Nope. It would be stupid to say that a problem like failing society could be pin-pointed down to a single factor. That would be pointless. Music, TV, media, Online pop-ups, and bill boards. So many factors. If it were -just- tv, then it would be easy to fix, but television was the subject I decided upon. Frank Zappa wrote a song called, I\'m the Slime. To which, I agree fully.

I would like to take this space to say, that don\'t get me wrong. Normally, I don\'t go looking for fights. This was just an explosion of aggravation. Normally I\'m pretty agreeable. But I\'ve been reading Johnny, The Homicidal Maniac , and it\'s taught me how it\'s important to find constructive ways to blow off steam, and let the bad roll away. I think that blowing up on a forum isn\'t too bad.

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2003, 06:44:19 pm »
Fantasyfiend: Umm...you seem to have misread my post.

It does not say: \"So...you\'re saying that the degragation of society is completely due to television?\"

It says:
\"So...you\'re saying that the biggest problem  with television  is \'how degraded society has become [because of it]?\' \"

I realize that it\'s pointless to wave toward the television and say \"this is the device that destroyed the human race.\"

Well lacking the answer I was expecting, and too tired to wait for another post, I\'m going to make my point anyway:

You are a hypocrite.

You\'re saying how bad TV is for society, how bad music, radio, and advertising are all negatively influencing the people of the world, and then you go against everything you\'ve already said:

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Believe it or not, that stuff affects your mind in ways you cannot imagine.  Your mind begins to think that that is what all women should look like.  Even worse, it\'s objectifying women, which later on can cause men to beat their wives, and other such horrible acts  ;(

Now refute that.

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2003, 06:54:34 pm »
If a man beats his wife, it\'s not because of images he saw on the internet. He was looking for an excuse. Usually their father\'s did it to their mother\'s continuing a sad spiral of violence. Same thing with school shootings. \"IMAGES ON TV MADE US DO IT!\" No. You wanted blood. Perhaps you are right about me being a hypocrite, but I hardly see how television is doing anything for women\'s rights. Free Will. They chose that.

Do you even look at it? No, they don\'t look alike. I\'ll have you know, that I\'m not PROUD of what I do. I already said that I don\'t wave around my sex life.

On second thought, if you want to examine this \"hypocrite\", answer me this, do you REALLY want to know about my sex life? Heaven know\'s it might make for some interesting talk around the water cooler.

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2003, 07:50:22 pm »
On second thought, forget it. This is my thread. I\'ll preach from whatever soapbox I want. No one made you read that, and no one\'s making you read this.

Objectifying women? So you honestly think that I see girls as playthings. Let me walk you through a normal monday for me. I sit next to a girl in my Networking class who I would like to take on a date. No, not pork her. So far, there have only been one girl I liked seriously, and I would have been more than happy to do anything for her. Except sex. I don\'t believe in sex before marriage. It leads to unwanted pregnancies, and possible diseases.

Anyway, I can\'t even get up the courage to ask her out.
Frankly, I wasn\'t even brave enough to tell her that I liked her. Well, she\'s married, and has a kid now. I was able to talk to her as a friend before, now I don\'t even want to talk to her, because I don\'t want her or her husband thinking I\'m a creep. Objectify women...I guess I got the good laugh I wanted. I\'m afraid of them, much less use them. A creepy cycle. I turn to crap like that to fill something I don\'t allow myself, yet I fill it with the wrong thing. Like stuffing a twinkie with feces. It is filler, but it could be something else so much better.

You mistake television and media for a trigger. To some degree it is. It doesn\'t make anyone kill anyone, I doubt it causes unprotected sex. But it grinds down the mind and morals to the point where it seems like a reasonable alternative.

Am I a hypocrite? Yes. I guess I am. You narrowed in, and fired. And actually, for that I am thankful. It\'s easier to see life when your sucked down into it not looking down from some false perch. However, instead of easing up on television, it just gives me something else to be wary of. Guess it was better that I pulled a sword out of myself.

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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2003, 08:17:42 pm »
First, I just want to make sure that we all understand that the only thing I actually accused you of is being a hypocrite.  I don\'t blame TV for directly causeing domestic violence, nor do I think that you objectify women.

I am simply pointing out *patters* that have been extensively researched and published.  Believe it or not, a group of students back in high school put one of our half-days to use, by using it to show a film documentary on the affects of media on the public.  The day was very well planned, and after the movie we all got in groups and shared our feeling of what we learned.

But my gosh, you would not believe the sort of things that came up in that film unless you had seen it.  A good portion of it was a case-by-case study in how women were portrayed in the media, and things that advertisers *specifically* do to get the desired effect.  It was absolutely sickening.  Literally, I could have hurled at the kind of stuff the media was intentionally doing to its viewers.

So, I am merely saying that many times the media objectifies women (along with other things), and *subconsciencly* your mind may begin to go along with it.  Again, I am NOT accusing anybody, I am merely stating that these patterns have been researched by scientists and analysts and the patterns do exist.  \"It doesn\'t make anyone kill anyone\"  Directly, no; anyone that watches a fight scene on a movie and immediately goes out and kills someone is among a very, very small minority.  \"I doubt it causes unprotected sex.\"  I am in complete disagreement with you here; sex is completely over-glorified by so many aspects of the media that it\'s nowhere near funny.  The media does not cause people to have sex, but it does make it seem like \"hey, if people look like this and act like this on TV, then I guess I should too.\"  I would most definitely say that the amount of exposure our young people have to sexual scenes in the media (everywhere, including TV commericals, billboards, magazine advertisements, you name it) is an overwhelming factor in the number of sexaully active teens (in America at least).

You asked (referring to pornography): \"Do you even look at it?\"  To this I say: \"at once time in my life, I did.\"  But I woke up one morning and thought \"what the hell am I doing?  I am such a greater person than this.  I don\'t need this stuff to make me feel good, when I can go talk to my real women friends that I don\'t need to hide behind a glass screen to interact with.\"  And that was it, I gave up everything I had to do with that.  And guess what?  I feel a whole lot better about myself and the people around me.  I am definitely not proud of what I did, but I am extremely grateful that I was able to give it up before it got much worse.

\"You narrowed in, and fired. And actually, for that I am thankful.\"  All I wanted to do is provide my opinion.  If I have inspired you to change your ways for the better, then no thanks is needed.  I feel better knowing there is one more person in the world willing to give up what he knows is wrong, and hopefully one day be a father who will teach his children the truths about right and wrong, and not let anything in the world change their views for the worse.

Because that is all I can ask of my life.

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